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Pakistani Canadian “liberal” Tarek Fatah’s views about Ahmadiyya Muslims

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Written by: Tarek Fatah

Did you hear about the new ‘Caliph of Islam’ in Iraq? But did you know there is a dude in London who is also #KhalifaOfIslam ‘Caliph of Islam’?

I’m not demonizing Ahmadiya Muslims, merely proving that  Ahmadis are as hostile to criticism as ISIS and equally medeival

Ahmadis organized a jihadi Lashkar to invade Jammu and Kashmir alongside the Tribals who went on a rampage of death in 1947?

Which Indegenous uprising? Ahmadis commited rape/murder of Kashmiris in the name of Islam, Pakistan & lies of MA Jinnah

This group (Ahmadis) was backed by the British Raj  so even though they r equally repressive of women & gays, west is ok with them

The idiocy of believing in a worldwide ‘Caliph of Islam’ is a dangerous concept that is both tribal & medieval.

If Ahmadiya Muslims can have a ‘Caliph of Islam’ then why not ISIS too? Both claim to be ‘Caliphs of all Muslims’.
You believe and promote a “Caliph of Islam” in this day and age, and then have the audacity to suggest ‘logic’. @Omaidus

Ahmediyyas were partners in the Hindu-hate that ultimately created Pakistan, any decent historian would know that

Yes @theRealYLH your Ahmadiya community collaborated with the British Raj and were rewarded for that work. Their work in splitting India too.

As a Brit Muslim @MuslimIQ do u believe in someone being a ‘Caliph of Islam”? & between the ISIS ‘Caliph of Islam’ & your ‘Caliph of Islam”?

who appointed him as the #KhalifaOfIslam? If he’s Caliph of Islam, then what about Muslims who reject his caliphate?

Ahmadis and the ISIS have the same ultimate goal: establish sharia rule all over the world.

Of course you support the Caliph of Ahmadia Muslims @theRealYLH, why deny? On top of it u claim to be secular

Pak Tea House (edited by Raza Rumi and Yasser Latif Hamdani) is a partisan Ahmaiyya community organ that tries to cover up their ties to Company Bahadu.  Pak Tea House (PTH) is not an open platform it is a disgrace to the memory of Pak Tea House and a reservoir of lies.

Ah haa the full Ahmadiya cavalry is here. A people as intolerant of criticism of their very own ‘Caliph of Islam’ as the Fatimide, Umayad, Ottoman and now ISIS ‘Caliph of Islam’.

If you had your ‘Caliph of Islam’ in a jurisdiction with an Ahmadiya majority, I dread the role of the parliamentarian or legislature that would have their own Vilayat Faqih Supreme Leader with veto power and the threat of excommunication that medeival popes had.

I have stood for your rights as Ahmadiya Muslims knowing fully well how awful life would be if God forbid you guys ran the ship as a majority. Look at the subjugate on of your female gender and gay Ahmadia. Don’t get arrogant by kissing up to the State Department and positioning yourself as the alternate to extremism when your own orthodoxy and support of your own version of Sharia law is quote well known.

the problem with these insecure men of medieval cults us that they too cannot take criticism. Their fascist streak is known to the men and women they have excommunicated for marrying non-Muslim, a term they use internally for non-Ahmadiyya Muslims.

Your medeival ways are exposed to your own wives and daughters who have been ‘expelled’ from the ‘caliphate’. You can fool some white liberals and Company Bahadur that your forefathers served, but spare me this drivel.

Shame on those who collaborated with the Pakistan Army on the 1971 Genocide of Bangladeshis and who support the Occupation of Balochistan by Pakistan and then talk of spirituality.

I suppose sending jihadi Lashkar to Kashmir in the 1947 rape and looted of fellow Muslims too was spiritual eh?

People like you who market their victimhood and serve just their own cults while kissing the shoes of supposed Caliphs belong to the 8th century, not the 21st.

You send your wives, mothers and daughters to the back of the bus in your mosques and expect me to call you a ‘friend’?

I have defended Ahmadiya rights in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Canada as well as Indonesia, not because I believe in some make belief’ Caliph of Islam’, but because I believe in universal justice. You guys on the other hand are members of a cult. Beholden to a fellow human who claims to be Allah’s Representative on Earth!

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  • Kashif N Chaudhry
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    The world praises the Ahmadiyya Muslim Khilafat for, amongst other things, its promotion of world peace, stand for universal freedom of conscience, speaking up for universal justice and condemnation of religious bigotry and extremism. Some haters like Tarek S. Fatah remain jealous. They ask, “where are peaceful Muslim leaders?” while hypocritically asking the most peaceful of them to be condemned in the same breath. Bigots will be bigots. Tayyab Pirzada Omaidus Malik Yasser Latif Hamdani Shane Hill Raza Rumi Bina Shah
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    Qudsiaa Masaud TF should f…..k himself ! U b damned…TF
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    Khwaja Khusro Tariq There are so many contradictions in his religious views that I think when he looks in the mirror even his reflection has trouble telling which Tarek S. Fatah showed up today. His hate of progressive muslims is understandable because they negate the paranoia-cultivating narrative of Islam he peddles.
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    Ali Zaidi he’s a chay. id you rather spend some more energy arguing with him rather than Ali Rizvi
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    Wan Abi Sufi If a progressive muslilm isn’t sucking on the hardcore anti-muslim right wing, Tarek Fatah deems them Islamists.
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    Tayyab Pirzada He’s self-hating. He hates everything to do with Islam but then calls himself a Muslim. :S
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    Jahanzeb Nisar World wud b in a much better place if Ppl like Tarik Fatah reserves their comments within himself..
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    Tayyab Pirzada I can understand drinking alcohol and being a liberal Muslim or whatever but still at least liking Islam. But I can’t understand Tarek Fatah. He hates anything to do with Islam.
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    Tarek S. Fatah Ah haa the full Ahmadiya cavalry is here. A people as intolerant of criticism of their very own ‘Caliph of Islam’ as the Fatimide, Umayad, Ottoman and now ISIS ‘Caliph of Islam’.

    If you had your ‘Caliph of Islam’ in a jurisdiction with an Ahmadiya majority, I dread the role of the parliamentarian or legislature that would have their own Vilayat Faqih Supreme Leader with veto power and the threat of excommunication that medeival popes had.

    I have stood for your rights as Ahmadiya Muslims knowing fully well how awful life would be if God forbid you guys ran the ship as a majority. Look at the subjugate on of your female gender and gay Ahmadia. Don’t get arrogant by kissing up to the State Department and positioning yourself as the alternate to extremism when your own orthodoxy and support of your own version of Sharia law is quote well known.
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    Tayyab Pirzada He’s essentially an Islamaphobic Muslim
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    Ismail Bey Has anyone here read Tarek’s book ‘Chasing a Mirage’? he explains in it why the notion of a caliphate is not Islamic, not to mention a fantasy that winds up destroying more than it can build.
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    Wan Abi Sufi He calls himself a muslim because it gives him street cred with people who want to say bad things about islam but won’t out of fear of sounding like bigots.

    So they bring in a so called muslim like Tarek Fatah, and everything they want to say, he says.
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    Kashif N Chaudhry Ismail Bey Ahmadiyya Khilafat is a spiritual institution. Don’t like it? Fine. But those comments are uncalled for. TF is a moron.
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    Wan Abi Sufi Ahmediyya Caliphate is not political.
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    Tayyab Pirzada Ahmadiyya caliphate does not have any political authority, never had any political authority, nor does it seek any political authority.
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    Wan Abi Sufi I read Chasing a Mirage. I even liked it. Until i started following Tarek on Facebook and watching interviews.
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    Wan Abi Sufi The caliphate Tarek Complained about had political dimensions to it. The caliph of Ahmediyya muslims has no political power at all.
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    Tayyab Pirzada Tarek Fatah could call himself a Caliph of his spiritual group if he created one, that’s how much political power the Ahmadiyya Caliph has (NONE)
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    Kashif N Chaudhry https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_27Frg1crUk
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    Prime Minister of Canada Praising “Islam Ahmadiyya”
    Prime Minister of Canada (Mr. Stephen Harper) Praising “Islam Ahmadiyya” for its… See More
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    Kashif N Chaudhry ^ All POLITICAL leaders in West praise Ahmadiyya Khilafat and consider it “champion of religious freedom and peace.”
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    Ismail Bey Tarek Fatah writes with knowledge and from research. He has the right to identify problems and call them as he sees fit. You don’t like it, that’s fine too. He expresses himself no differently than most here do, calling the man an Islamophobe. Ridiculous, in my opinion.
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    Tayyab Pirzada On the one hand, many Muslims call us an un-Islamic cult completely apart from Islam, and on the other hand, Islamaphobes like Tarek Fatah, Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller etc. say that we secretly support hardliner Sharia Law and we’re “too Muslim”.
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    Kashif N Chaudhry ^ He is an Islamophobe. He is a bigot. He is a moron. There you go. I said all three.
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    Tayyab Pirzada We’re either perceived as not Muslim at all, or too Muslim, by two strands of extremists.
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    Kashif N Chaudhry This is not an issue of “cant take criticism.” This is the case of a hypocrite who asks for peaceful leadershop within Islam and condemns it as soon as he sees it. Why? It is against his agenda against Islam.
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    Ismail Bey Brilliant bit of denial. Brilliant. Your caliphate will never be accepted by the rest of the world. Keep on dreaming.
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    Tayyab Pirzada lol who said we wanted it to be?
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    Kashif N Chaudhry TF is intolerant of Ahmadi Muslims because we are the antidote to the extremism that he relies on to further his Islamophonbic agenda.
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    Ali Zaidi wait a minute. he is a Muslim himself, How the hell could he be an Islamophobe. You guys are really pushing it.
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    Tayyab Pirzada Let me explain the Ahmadiyya Caliphate very clearly for everyone:
    – It’s a spiritual station and NOT political
    – We only require Ahmadis following the Caliph
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    Kashif N Chaudhry Ismail: Who ever said we wanted acceptance from any. Thats the point.
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    Tayyab Pirzada He’s an Islamaphobe based on his own track record and writings. He wanted to ban the hijab (not niqab, but HIJAB). He speaks out against any thing even remotely related to Islam.
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    Kashif N Chaudhry Ali Zaidi Ali Rizvi is a Muslim atheist too. Islamophobe definition does not mean entail you have to be non-Muslim.
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    Tayyab Pirzada On his Facebook profile, he routinely posts pictures of Muslim hijabi women where their underwear is showing by accident, to mock them
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    Tayyab Pirzada He mocks Islamic principles and practices
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    Tayyab Pirzada He posts pictures of Muslim kids wearing kufis and such, to mock them
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    Ali Zaidi it doesn’t matter. he says hes a Muslims and that’s the end of that.
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    Tayyab Pirzada He’s worse than an Islamaphobe, he’s a self-hating “Muslim” Islamaphobe with an inferiority complex, who is also getting paid by Sun Media and other right-wing sources to spew anti-Islam vitriol
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    Kashif N Chaudhry He can criticize as much as he wants. But there is difference between criticism and bigotry. He is unfortunately a huge bigot.
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    Kashif N Chaudhry Ali Zaidi: He’s a Muslim Islamophobe. He’s one of a kind.
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    Ali Zaidi I am a self professed ex-Muslim. He, on the hand, never once claimed he left Islam; in fact, insists he is a Muslim. It is not for you to decide what’s in his heart.
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    Tayyab Pirzada None of us said he’s not a Muslim. I wholeheartedly agree he’s a Muslim and support his right to identify as Muslim.
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    Ali Zaidi he’s a panhandler who pretends to be an “intellectual”
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    Ismail Bey The idea of a caliphate seems ridiculous and dangerous to some, including Tarek. The creation of any organized religion at this point in human history leaves open the vacuum for bigotry and manipulation, yes this could even happen with the Ahmadiyya. Many well intended movements in history have become fascist movements, and this is his fear and concern. Not only his, but many people.
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    Kashif N Chaudhry Who ever said he is a non-Muslim?
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    Ali Zaidi okay, sorry, i misunderstood.
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    Tayyab Pirzada But the Ahmadiyya caliphate has existed for over 100 years lol. Why didn’t he complain before?
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    Kashif N Chaudhry Np.
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    Tayyab Pirzada He’s complaining now because ISIS’ caliphate is on the world news
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    Kashif N Chaudhry Ismail Bey The Ahmadyya Khilafat is a spiritual position. Read this: http://www.foxnews.com/…/2013/12/28/meet-muslim-mandela/

    Meet the Muslim Mandela
    http://www.foxnews.com
    Come meet the Muslim Mandela — he is His Holiness Mirza Masroor Ahmad Khalifa of Islam.
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    Kashif N Chaudhry The Khalifa promotes world peace. He has spoken at US Congress, EU Parliament, UK Parliament, NZ Parliament etc to promote universal justice and peace. Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Iu9VKncw5I
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    Huzoor’s Address To Members of Congress, USA
    An address delivered by Hadhrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad, Head of the Ahmadiyya Musli… See More
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    Ismail Bey I don’t care what the position is. Well intended leadership positions have the possibility to turn into power trips. The argument is that there is no caliphate mentioned in the Quran. The early establishment of a caliphate ended in bloodshed and murder. I’m sure Tarek has his reasons for disapproving.
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    Tayyab Pirzada Caliphate actually is mentioned in the Qur’an
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    Tarek S. Fatah Dear Ismail Bey, the problem with these insecure men of medieval cults us that they too cannot take criticism. Their fascist streak is known to the men and women they have excommunicated for marrying non-Muslim, a term they use internally for non-Ahmadiyya Muslims.

    Their revulsion of critique is such they deleted my response.
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    Kashif N Chaudhry A spiritual leader who promotes peace, love, justice, humanity and who preaches state be separate from mosque at all costs, is praised by the whole world, but TF condemns such promotion of peace, love and freedom of conscience. Its sad and reflects his prejudiced and bigoted state of mind.
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    Tayyab Pirzada God has promised those of you who have attained to faith and do righteous deeds that, of a certainty, He will make them Khulafa on earth, even as He caused [some of] those who lived before them to become Khulafa; and that, of a certainty, He will firmly establish for them the religion which He has been pleased to bestow on them; and that, of a certainty, He will cause their erstwhile state of fear to be replaced by a sense of security [seeing that] they worship Me [alone], not ascribing divine powers to aught beside Me. But all who, after [having understood] this, choose to deny the truth – it is they, they who are truly iniquitous!” [24:55] (Surah Al-Nur, Verse 55)
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    Ismail Bey The Caliphate is a failure. It screwed up since day one.
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    Tayyab Pirzada Not really. Rashidun Caliphate worked just fine. And Ahmadiyya Caliphate is working just fine too.
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    Tayyab Pirzada It’s been in existence for over a 100 years. Hardly what I would call a failure.
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    Kashif N Chaudhry Tarek, you continue to lie. 1) No one “internally” considers anyone non-Muslim. 2) No one deleted your comment. I am displaying your bigotry, not deleting it.
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    Tayyab Pirzada It’s funny Tarek S. Fatah says we believe in a medieval cult, since he as a Muslim technically…also follows the same medieval cult?
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    Kashif N Chaudhry Ismail Bey So you hate and condemn peaceful Ahmadiyya Khilafat because “it will fail?”
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    Ismail Bey Well there ya go guys, Tarek has spoken and revealed the truth. If you wish to live in la la land, that’s fine by me. But there is a war going on and we are going to lose that war as long as you prefer That Islam be a an ideology of nirvana rather than an active and powerful tool for each and every human being, without the need to be told what to do by a leader. That’s my take on it.
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    Tayyab Pirzada Any problems Tarek has with Islam and any insults directed at Islam can likewise be directed at Tarek Fatah lol.
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    Ismail Bey Did I say I hate anyone? Why would you jump to that conclusion just because I question the notion of a caliph? Disagree with you and I’m a bad boy? You are starting to sound like the Islamists we all stand against.
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    Tayyab Pirzada It’s the peculiar situation akin to a FOX News host saying that all Muslims are evil, but then people finding out the host is himself Muslim.
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    Kashif N Chaudhry If you condemn the Khilafat of peace, love and progress just the same as you condemn caliphate of terror and destruction (ISIS), I am afraid you are equally parajoid and bigoted Ismail.
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    Kashif N Chaudhry You say you agree with Tarek. What else did you say? Clarify your position please.
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    Tarek S. Fatah Your medeival ways are exposed to your own wives and daughters who have been ‘expelled’ from the ‘caliphate’. You can fool some white liberals and Company Bahadur that your forefathers served, but spare me this drivel.
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    Kashif N Chaudhry All Sunnis and Shias disagree with Ahmadiyya Khilafat. Thats not a bad thing. But condemning ISIS Khilafat and Ahmadiyya Khilafat in same breath is bigotry and insanity.
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    Kashif N Chaudhry Tarek, you continue to lie and hate. I invite you to love and peace. Shun bigotry my friend. You are too old for this.
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    Kashif N Chaudhry And now you have unfriended me as well. Cowardice much?
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    Ismail Bey Now I am asked to clarify my position, or else? Sounds like a caliphate to me.

    You don’t get it Kashif, do you? The idea of a caliphate is what is being questioned, not whether your spiritual leader is an nice guy or not. For your sake, I hope he is. For world Islam and for Muslims, he is not the answer at this time in human history, sorry.
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    Tarek S. Fatah Shame on those who collaborated with the Pakistan Army on the 1971 Genocide of Bangladeshis and who support the Occupation of Balochistan by Pakistan and then talk of spirituality.

    I suppose sending jihadi Lashkar to Kashmir in the 1947 rape and looted of fellow Muslims too was spiritual eh?
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    Kashif N Chaudhry That is not debated. How is the Ahmadiyya Khalifa condemnable?
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    Tayyab Pirzada Not all Ahmadis are Pakistani you know…
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    Kashif N Chaudhry Yasser Latif Hamdani has rebutted your lies on 1971 and Balochistan on Twitter. You have the audacity to bring the lies again here. I hope you were not such a coward to unfriend me. I would have loved to tag you in other posts.
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    Zeshan Mirza Welcome to the club ! Kashif N Chaudhry you exposed him and he ran away. It’s sad. What a waste.

    My dear Ismail Bey alienating our fellow Muslims with F words especially Ahmadis is a new low for Tarek. I can’t believe your defending this.
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    Ismail Bey Sunnis and Shi’a love Ahmadiyya? From what I heard, they complain that your founder died in the bathroom, and is a false prophet. I don’t care either way and that is a gross thing to say, but don’t tell me you are loved by everyone.
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    Kashif N Chaudhry He unfriended me. Such a coward!
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    Kashif N Chaudhry Ahmadiyya Khilafat is loved by all world leaders and praised for role in promoting peace and justice.
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    Kashif N Chaudhry You on the other hand condemn such promotion of peace, justice and freedom of conscience. Why so?
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    Ismail Bey Zeshan I am defending the notion that a caliphate is the last thing Muslims on this planet need, period. I can’t believe you would approve of those who grant us such ultimatums.
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    Kashif N Chaudhry We disagree on that. We believe a Khilafat is much needed in Muslim world. However, we disagree on the definition and role of Khilafat. Ours is spiritual guide, not political monarch.
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    Tarek S. Fatah Kashif N Chaudhury, you were never my friend. People like you who market their victimhood and serve just their own cults while kissing the shoes of supposed Caliphs belong to the 8th century, not the 21st.

    You send your wives, mothers and daughters to the back of the bus in your mosques and expect me to call you a ‘friend’?

    I have defended Ahmadiya rights in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Canada as well as Indonesia, not because I believe in some make belief’ Caliph of Islam’, but because I believe in universal justice. You guys on the other hand are members of a cult. Beholden to a fellow human who claims to be Allah’s Representative on Earth!
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    Sammy Chaudry This guy Tarek Fatah IS a confused MESS PLEASE DONT GIVE HIM ANY CREDENCE BY ENGAGING WITH HIM HE HAS ACTUALLY TOTALLY LOST IT AND ALso LOST ANY RELEVANCE AT ALL in the process..
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    Kashif N Chaudhry We both agree a political monarchy is not needed. But you also disagree with a spiritual position. That is fine. We can agree to disagree. But why equate a man of peace with a man of terror and condemn both in same breath?
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    Ismail Bey Spiritual guide and political monarch have been the same in Islamic history.
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    Zeshan Mirza ISIS is giving the world an ultimatum. Ahmadis and their presentation of Khilafat is nothing like that all.

    Tarek knows this, he grew up in Pakistan, he has defended a Ahmadis countless times. We are who are today because of our Khilafat. We work with governments to strengthen them. From Israel to the United States we are well respected.
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    Kashif N Chaudhry Tarek, you were in my friends list until today. You showed us you are a coward. As for defending Ahmadi rights, you never did that for defending per se. You did that because it served your agenda of making “Islam” look bad. Thanks but no thanks.
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    Kashif N Chaudhry Ismail Bey So you believe the Ahmadiyya Khalifa whom all world leaders praise for peace and justice is equal threat as ISIS? How so?
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    Ismail Bey Like I don’t know that Zeshan? Come on man, you gotta be kidding.
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    Ismail Bey The role of caliph is threat, that’s what I wrote. The fact that you get all bent out of shape defending this notion is also an indication of the problem. That’s what I believe.
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    Ismail Bey Let me ask you guys something: how are homosexuals seen in the eyes of the caliph? Are they accepted as equals?
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    Kashif N Chaudhry Thats not my question. I repeat: Do you believe the Ahmadiyya Khalifa whom all world leaders praise for peace and justice is equal threat as ISIS? How so?
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    Tayyab Pirzada lol he’s calling us a cult now. Haven’t heard that one before (sarcasm).
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    Kashif N Chaudhry Do you believe the Ahmadiyya Khalifa whom all world leaders praise for peace and justice is equal threat as ISIS? Ismail Bey Thats Tarek’s stance. Agree or Disagree?
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    Tayyab Pirzada Recently a Salafi-Wahabi guy kept calling me a part of a cult. Now a liberal progressive leftist Muslim is calling me a part of a cult. The world works in strange ways lol.
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    Zeshan Mirza We don’t have the same notion my dear. Khilafat in Ahmadiyyat as Tayyab and Kashif have clearly stated is non political.

    It’s funny that the Saudis considered our Khalifat a threat. Then helped fund our persecution in Pakistan.
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    Kashif N Chaudhry Ismail Bey Dont dodge/digress please. Just help me understand if you agree with Tarek’s bigotry or not. Do you believe the Ahmadiyya Khalifa whom all world leaders praise for peace and justice is equal threat as ISIS? Yes/ No
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    Zafar Khurshid Kashif – Mr. Tarek is a plane idiot and hypocrite, a self proclaimed intellectual. Do not get fooled by his name he is not a Muslim (Actually I don’t believe him as a sane person. I am watching him all along I found nothing good coming out of his INTELLECTUAL Zanbeel. He is not only a bigot he is a saddest too. (I really feel sorry to say all this to an elderly person but I have enough of this so delusional self proclaimed intellectual who is making MANY INTERESTED PEOPLE Happy by his venom spits on Islam and Muslims). Some People are there to spread hatred and he is one from the top tier.
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    Zeshan Mirza Zafar we can’t say that! If he says he is a Muslim he is a Muslim. This is not acceptable. We cannot lose our ideals when we get pushed into a corner.
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    Ismail Bey “That’s not my question”….Sounds just like the Wahabis who demand that we think as they do. Or like sitting in front of the Tehran majlis. I explained to you…the notion of a caliph is a threat to world peace, regardless of who fills the spot. Salams and salutations to your chosen leader if he is a nice guy, but the idea of a caliphate is medieval and not for modern times. That’s my stance.

    Now tell me about homosexuals according to the Ahmadiya caliph.
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    Kashif N Chaudhry Not my question. Here we go again: Dont dodge/digress please. Just help me understand if you agree with Tarek’s bigotry or not. Do you believe the Ahmadiyya Khalifa whom all world leaders praise for peace and justice is equal threat as ISIS? Yes/ No
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    Iqbal Aijaz Kashif N Chaudhry, once your’e done I have a question for him also.
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    Kashif N Chaudhry When someone is losing an argument, they try desperately to divert the topic.
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    Ismail Bey You like to play games, or rather caliph yourself, don’t you. Well, as we can see, there is danger in the notion of any caliphate. So, if it makes you happy, and you want a direct answer, just like Luther’s inquisitors did, and also Hallaj’s accusers, then yes…a caliphate is dangerous no matter who claims to be the caliph.
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    Kashif N Chaudhry So if I understand correctly, you agree with Tarek that the Ahmadiyya Khalifa (spiritual) is equal threat to the world as ISIS caliphate (political)? Yes?
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    Ismail Bey And I am not a kiss ass as you are, slobbering to your caliph as if he didn’t shit like everyone else. Don’t talk to me in that tone, little boy. Besides, the world see s how un dignified you sound.
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    Kashif N Chaudhry You probably meant Tarek Fatah when you said undignified. Typo? **
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    Kashif N Chaudhry So if I understand correctly, you agree with Tarek that the Ahmadiyya Khalifa (spiritual) is equal threat to the world as ISIS caliphate (political)? Yes?
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    Ismail Bey Yes any caliph is a danger. Period. Understand correctly now?
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    Iqbal Aijaz Ismail Bey,

    As Tayyab Pirzada said, Khilafat is mentioned in the Holy Quran, so why are you lying?
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    Ismail Bey No you are the one who sounds undignified…still in denial mode?
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    Kashif N Chaudhry
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    Kashif N Chaudhry I got what I wanted. Thank you Ismail.
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    Iqbal Aijaz Since, now Kashif’s question is taken care off. Care to tell us why are you associating lies to the Holy Quran Ismail Bey?
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    Zafar Khurshid Zeshan- I usually do not get into that kind of stuff and I am not even like to do so. My comment here is for one reason that Mr. Tarek has a history and you need to check his profile. He is representing him self as a MODERATE MUSLIM and using so called Islamic platform to spread hatred towards Muslims and Islam.
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    Ismail Bey Thank you…I love to be called a bigot and a heretic. I am assured of heaven now. And you can stick your certificate up your ass while you’re at it. You have proven to me and those reading that a caliphate is indeed a threat, as you conform to this notion and engage according to that notion. Thanks for proving my point. You are such a dogmatist that none can disagree with you and yours. therefore I declare you full of crap. Hope you have good night my man. Get over it, it is after all, Ramazan. But I don’t need your forgiveness, nor your caliph’s either.
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    Iqbal Aijaz ^^^ Before you leave, at least tell us why are you lying on the Holy Quran?
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    Ismail Bey Zafar let me correct you: Tarek is not a moderate, he is a reformist. There’s a difference between those who wish for a few cookies and those who actually take the time to bake some.
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    Kashif N Chaudhry If Tarek is a reformist, then I live on Jupiter.
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    Ismail Bey I think you do. or maybe Saturn’s rings.
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    Iqbal Aijaz Ismail Bey,

    lol, why keep avoiding my question?
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    Kashif N Chaudhry Continue with Iqbal Ismail Bey. I got what I wanted to know. Have a good one.
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    Ismail Bey I’m done here Iqbal. Go ask your caliph. If the Quran recommends a caliphate then that recommendation ended in failure, and if you can’t see that then you are on the Moon.
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    Iqbal Aijaz Ismail Bey,

    I also need to sleep, can you please quickly answer, why are you lying on the Holy Quran? I’ll give you the proof if you want,
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    Ismail Bey Enjoy Kashif, it doesn’t matter to me what you think or know. I am not for any kind of caliphate…I thought you knew that about me.
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    Iqbal Aijaz Ismail Bey,

    My question is why did you associate lie towards the Holy Quran. If you can’t answer my question then at least admit that you lied,
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    Zafar Khurshid Oh Sorry. It looks like I step on some one’s toe. Stay Blessed Sir. I can’t afford to debate with another Reformist. Kashif please please handle I am not that patient.
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    Kashif N Chaudhry Ismail: Check your inbox. Night!
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    Iqbal Aijaz Well, here’s the proof that Ismail Bey lied. Good night
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    Ismail Bey I don’t argue according to a book written by men, or with any kind of literalist of any faith. This is why I am against the caliphate.
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    Iqbal Aijaz I am not asking about your argument, if they are right or wrong, I am merely asking why did you associate lie towards the Holy Quran?
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    Iqbal Aijaz Well, Ismail Bey I’ll remember you as a liar. Good night,
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    Zeshan Mirza Guys seriously stop labelling. It’s not what our Khalifa would want us to do. By calling Ismail Bey a liar what purpose will that serve. I cannot bite my tongue any longer. This greatly upsets me. We must show a better example as Ahmadis.
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    Ismail Bey Remember me any way you wish. You still look like the dogmatic literalist to the world, see if I care. And that is why the caliphate won’t work.
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    Iqbal Aijaz Zeshan Mirza,

    Being an Ahmadie doesn’t mean to sit back and let people lie, and he associated a lie towards the Holy Quran. If you want a proof, ask for it. I asked him several times to clarify his stance, and then I called him a liar.
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    Zafar Khurshid Yes Caliphate does not work for those who are DEAD (Body or Soul). Any LIVING person still have a chance to get benefit.
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    Zeshan Mirza Iqbal so you embarrassed Ismail is that what we are now a troop that embarrasses people. We should be exposing hypocrisy with more tact and professionalism.
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    Zeshan Mirza Now he will use this as a reason to avoid answering Kashif’s questions. Always keep the higher moral ground, never cave into labelling people it destroys any well placed argument. Sheesh! My dear brothers this is not the way.
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    Iqbal Aijaz Zeshan Mirza,

    Got it, Jazak’Allah.
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    Iqbal Aijaz Ismail Bey,

    The Khilfat is mentioned/promised in the Holy Quran in 24:54/55. My apologies for calling you a liar, please don’t go around associating things towards the Holy Quran which you aren’t certain off. Good night,
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    Yasser Latif Hamdani Tarek Fatah also accused Ahmadis shamelessly of being British collaborators. Some defender he is. He is a hatemonger who will use whatever whereever to help his cause. Look at his tweets about Olivia Chow, the mayor of Toronto…. he is castigating her for taking a picture with some group.
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    Tayyab Pirzada *Future mayor of Toronto
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    Yasser Latif Hamdani yeah sorry future mayor.
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    Syed Zafar Ahmad Interesting, a news item in today’s Times of India, Delhi, speaks about the Ahmadiyya Sect in Islam being the only Jamaat now to have Khilafat.
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    Kijera Ibrahima Cannot understand what is wrong with our great learning nowadays. It’s better we never search for knowledge instead. Just be the moron we are and we can allow the animals to rule the world since they better understand how to live amicably. Shame to the human race!
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    Shane Hill I love Tarek Fatah and admire him very much but he is wrong here….if their was such a thing as a Ahmadiyya Caliph, he would be truly a peaceful person and on that I have no doubt…..
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    Tayyab Pirzada Shane Hill, there is an Ahmadiyya Caliph lol
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    Shane Hill I was not honestly aware of that….well I am sure he is a decent chap!
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    Tayyab Pirzada This is the fifth and current Khalifa, Mirza Masroor Ahmad (may Allah be his helper). He is the only Muslim leader to deliver a speech at the European Parliament in Brussels which was about “responding to the challenge of extremism.” He also delivered a speech at United States Capitol Hill, Washington, D.C. attended by politicians of both Republican and Democratic parties, in which he outlined the Islamic solution to peace and condemned American foreign policy in which they extract resources from Muslim countries while initiating war.

    He has also sent letters of warning to President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran as well as the Grand Ayatollah of Iran, Sayyed Ali Hosseini Khamenei, Pope Benedict XVI and Pope Francis, President Barack Obama of the USA, Prime Minister Stephen Harper of Canada, and Prime Minister David Cameron of the United Kingdom, Angela Merkel, the Chancellor of Germany, the President of France, François Hollande, the Premier of China, Wen Jiabao, and King Abdullah bin Abdulaziz al-Saud of Saudi Arabia urging them to create peace in the world to avoid a World War III, which he thinks is imminent from the current situation in the world.

    He has also condemned the Syrian situation, and also condemned Israel’s injustices against Palestine.

    He has recently also vehemently condemned the atrocities of ISIS.

    He is a supporter of peace and freedom from injustice no matter who are afflicted, but especially for the Muslim Ummah, whom he constantly prays for and advises Ahmadis to pray for in his Friday Khutbas.
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    Tayyab Pirzada In addition, he condemned Geert Wilders when he made Islamaphobic comments, he condemned the statements of Pope Benedict XVI when he made similar comments against Islam, he condemned the 2010 Quran-burning controversy, he said that the 2010 Ground Zero…See More
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    Shane Hill Well thank you for the info Tayyab…..I learn something new everyday!
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    Tayyab Pirzada Here is him a few days ago condemning ISIS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aw9p1ZLufgc
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    Ayat Ahmad “True Khilafat is Spiritual Leadership and Has No Interest in Power or Government”-Khalifatul Masih V.
    Hazrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad(atba)
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    Omaidus Malik So if Ahmadis obey state law and are loyal to the country they are company bahadur ke Jasoos (British agent). We are then agents of all countries of the world as we obey law of the land and are loyal to the country.
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    Tayyab Pirzada As an Ahmadi Muslim, I already have a Caliphate (the only Islamic Caliphate in existence for the past century) which unlike ISIS’, promotes the motto “love for all, hatred for none” and does not seek political authority. The worldwide Caliph of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, Mirza Masroor Ahmad, recently condemned ISIS as being opposed to the true teachings of Islam. If the Muslim world needs a Caliph in my opinion, it’s him. A direct result of following him would be the end of all Islamist terrorism and jihadism.
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  • Loyalists of the British Empire
    Almost all Deobandi religious leaders and all Barelvi ulema were on the payroll of the empire. This is how they sustained a living and ample proof can be found in their own books
    Yasser Latif Hamdani
    Yasser Latif Hamdani
    July 07, 2014
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    Canadian activist and polemicist Tarek Fatah, responding to my article ‘Shorish Kashmiri, Azad and partition’ last week (Daily Times, June 30, 2014) thought it wise to declare, on Twitter, that what I had written about Shorish Kashmiri was inspired by Ahmedi propaganda. He declared that no Ahmedi had fought against the British and that the British had sustained the Ahmedi community and rewarded it time and again. This, of course, is the standard line of the mullahs in Pakistan, a line that has been forwarded time and again by Tehreek-e-Khatm-e-Nabuwat and Majlis-e-Ahrar. This was also the elaborate fiction that Shorish Kashmiri invented along with Ataullah Shah Bokhari and Mazhar Ali Azhar of Ahrar in the 1940s to attack the Muslim League and discredit it as the authoritative representative of Muslims. What is strange however is that a self-styled progressive refusenik like Fatah, who does not tire of attacking Muslims otherwise, has chosen to repeat this distortion of history.
    The biggest issue the scholars of Deobandi and Barelvi schools had with the Ahmedis was that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, the founder of the sect, had reinterpreted the doctrine of jihad as more than qital (fighting). Consequently, the Ahmedi community as a whole remained constitutional and law-abiding citizens of British India. The Ahmedi religious movement itself had been at the forefront of the missionary activities of the church. Mirza Ghulam Ahmed, before founding the Ahmedi sect, had been considered the intellectual champion of Muslims against the onslaught of the Christian west and the re-absorption activities of Hindu sects like the Arya Samajists. A peaceful, hardworking and enterprising community, the Ahmedis produced the likes of Sir Zafrullah Khan who was one of the finest advocates in law, the president of the Muslim League for a while, one of Pakistan’s founders and later head of the International Court of Justice. For this reason, Ahmedis are denounced as British agents even though there is not a single Ahmedi who received any patronage or pension from the British Empire.
    Let us, however, look at the roles of those other groups who were considered to be at the forefront of the Independence Movement. That the Hindu reform and revival movement itself owed a great deal to British patronage after 1857 can hardly be disputed. Needless to say, the most celebrated freedom fighter in all of South Asia, Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, made his name as a recruiter for the British Empire before and during the First World War. When Jinnah asked Gandhi to join the movement for Indian self-rule, Gandhi’s condescending reply, in olde English, was, “First ye seek the recruiting office” and then the British will open their doors to his petitions. For his stellar services to the British Empire, in 1915 Gandhiji was awarded the Kaiser-e-Hind medal — the highest honour for a loyal British Indian subject.
    Hindus were not the only ones to receive this patronage by the empire. Almost all Deobandi religious leaders — supposedly the most militant of anti-British elements — and all Barelvi ulema were on the payroll of the empire. This is how they sustained a living and ample proof can be found in their own books. For example, in Sawanay-e-Qasimi — the biography of Maulana Qasim Nanawatvi — page 103 credits Maulana Fazlur Rahman Muradabadi with having facilitated the English capture of Lucknow. On page 247 of the same book we find that Deobandi religious figures were proud of being pensioners of the British Empire and used it to prove their loyalty to the monarch. The biography of Maulana Rashid Gangohi, Tazkira-e-Rasheed, on page 80 has the great Deobandi freedom fighter claiming that he was entirely loyal to the British Empire. On page 160 of the Tehreek-e-Shaikh-ul-Hind, we find that another ‘freedom fighter’ and the Dean of Darul Uloom Deoband, Hafiz Maulana Muhammad Ahmad, was given the title of “Shams-ul-Ulema” by the British governor of UP. His most famous student was Maulana Hussain Ahmad Madni, the great ally of the Congress Party and the leader of Jamiat-e-Ulema-Hind — another ‘freedom fighter’. He is considered a great hero of the freedom movement by Pakistani Islamists and Indian nationalists. The entire Deoband edifice was built on official patronage and British pensions.
    Now let us come to the other side of the Hanafi Sunni coin: the Barelvis. Ahmad Raza Khan Barelvi was principally a supporter of British rule and declared jihad against the British to be unlawful. His fatwa can be found on page 447 of his treatise Al-Mohajat, Al Mohtamanat Fi Ayat-al-Mumtahanat. Francis Robinson, in his book Separatism Amongst Indian Muslims: The politics of UP Muslims 1860-1923 on page 268 confirms the pro-government fatwas of Ahmad Raza Khan Barelvi.
    Similarly, the Shias by and large remained loyal and law abiding citizens of the empire though it must be said to their credit that, unlike the Barelvis and Deobandis, they were not patronised by the British. A sub-sect of Shia Islam, the Ismailis, both Agha Khanis and Bohris, looked towards the British Raj as a means to protect them from hostile sectarian majorities. Indeed, so close was the relationship of Sir Agha Khan to the British that Kemal Ataturk publicly accused the Agha Khan of working for the British against Turkey, though unjustifiably. Needless to say, Kemal Ataturk himself has also been accused of being a British agent by latter day votaries of the pan-Islamic khilafat.
    The point I wish to make is this: people interacted with the empire in different ways. Some people, very few and far between, did take up arms against the empire, more often for reasons wholly unsavoury than noble ones. Others worked within the system or were its beneficiaries. The accusation targeting one community or the other of having been ‘British agents’ is therefore farfetched and wholly unfounded. As free men and women in the 21st century, we should approach modern realities without the rancour that our blinkered views on history cause. As for Tarek Fatah, given his penchant to attack minorities like Ahmedis, the logical question is whether he feels any pang of hypocrisy vis-à-vis the fact that he is a Canadian subject of the Queen of England?

    http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/opinion/07-Jul-2014/loyalists-of-the-british-empire

  • Pakistani Canadian “liberal” Tarek Fatah’s views about Ahmadiyya Muslims – See more at: https://lubp.net/archives/316151

    We condemn Tarek Fatah’s stereotyping and incitement to murder of Shiite Muslims – by Mohsin Jaffer http://worldshiaforum.wordpress.com/2012/08/29/we-condemn-tarek-fatahs-stereotyping-and-incitement-to-murder-of-shiite-muslims-by-mohsin-jaffer/

    When Takfiri Tarek Fatah declared the Holy Prophet’s beloved uncle an infidel – by Irfan Qadri
    http://worldshiaforum.wordpress.com/2012/09/03/tarek-fatah-apostatizes-prophet-muhammads-beloved-uncle-by-irfan-qadri/

    The Shia is not your enemy either, Tarek Fatah – by Hasnain Khan
    http://pakistanblogzine.wordpress.com/2011/04/14/the-shia-is-not-your-enemy-either-tarek-fatah-by-hasnain-khan/

    Do you believe I suffer from ShiaPhobia? – by Tarek Fatah
    https://pakistanblogzine.wordpress.com/2011/04/15/racist-and-sectarian-shias-of-bahrain-by-tarek-fatah/

    Is Tarek Fatah really a friend of Jews? – Pakistan Blogzine – See more at: https://lubp.net/archives/319673

  • You are entitled to an opinion.

    However you are not allowed to make statements which are not based on factual events, you have failed to provide adequate references giving evidence of your statements. Your basic source of reference is Twitter, how dare you.

    You are by all means allowed to write whatever you wish, especially in a forum as this. However your lack of referencing nullifies your credibility and likelihood that your statements are based on objective facts.

    Don’t you dare to accuse Ahmadi Muslims in the manner you have done above, your opinion is your right; however you will be held accountable and you will be answerable.