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Sympathize with Hamid Mir but don’t turn him into a hero of human rights or liberal values

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We condemn attack on Hamid Mir and pray for his early recovery. But he never was/is a champion of human rights or liberal values, and should not be presented as such by those who are legitimately supporting his right to free speech.

In fact, Mir’s pro-Taliban, pro-ASWJ, pro-AlQaeda views are no secret. His denial of Shia genocide, hatred of Ahmadis and Sunni Barelvis, and his collusion with Punjabi Taliban in the massacre of more than 100 Ahmadis in Lahore is no secret. Mir was directly complicit to the murder of Khalid Khwaja and Colonel Imam at the hands of Punjabi Taliban (aka ASWJ-LeJ). Also it is a fact that he, along with Najam Sethi, played a key role in providing space and legitimacy to Ahmed Ludhyanvi, leader of the banned terrorist outfit ASWJ (urban face of TTP) on Geo TV’s platform.

Hamid Mir’s voice on Baloch issues was more like a cover to rationalize his apologist stance on TTP-ASWJ and also to equate secular Baloch nationalists with takfiri Khariji Deobandi terrorists. His services to the Balochs should be seen in the context of Najam Sethi’s and Malik Siraj Akbar’s “services” to the Baloch cause.

ISI or no ISI, the attacks on Raza Rumi and Hamid Mir were a handiwork of the ASWJ-TTP hitmen, and this fact is being shamelessly hidden or diluted by Pakistani media and bloggers.

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  • Dr Ayesha Siddiqa writes:

    “It seems from the conversation as if Mir caused Khalid Khwaja’s death by instigating the alleged Punjabi Taliban. The insistence on KK’s links with Ahmedis and Americans could do the trick of inciting the Taliban against KK. But I am sure that was not Hamid Mir’s intent. He was just trying to show-ff to the Taliban the superiority of his information. Such show-off comes with the territory that he operates in. But the conversation was then conveniently leaked so that it may appear as something in which the intelligence agencies had no involvement thats is in the killing of KK.” http://ayeshasiddiqa.blogspot.co.uk/2010/05/did-hamid-mir-have-conversation-with.html

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  • ترے وعدے پر جیے ہم تو یہ میر جھوٹ جانا
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    حامد میر پر حملے والے دن عامر لیاقت کاشف عباسی کو قاءل کر رہا تھا کہ آج میڈیا بٹا ہوا ہے یہ غلط ہے ہمیں ایک ہو جانا چاہیےتو کاشف نے جواب میں کہا کے یہ آپ لوگوں نے ہی شروع کیا ہے آپ کا چینل سب سے بڑا ٹی وی چینل ہے اس میں پہل بھی آپ کو ہی کرنا ہوگی۔ اس پر عامر لیاقت نے کہا کہ کاشف بھاءی بس آج ہم یہ عہد کرتے ہیں کہ ہم ہمیشہ ایسے موقعوں پر ایک دوسرے کے ساتھ کھڑے ہونگے۔ ایسا ہی ایک عہد میر شکیل صاحب نے بھی مشکل وقت میں اپنے عارضی ملازمین کے ساتھ کیا تھا جب انھوں نے ہنگامی طور پر پنڈی پہنچ کر رواپنڈی پریس کلب میں خطاب کیا تھا۔ ان کی تقریر کے الفاظ کچھ یوں تھے۔۔۔ “ہم سب ایک ہیں، آپ سب کارکن میری طاقت بنو، میں جنگ گروپ کے تمام عارضی ملازمین کو مستقل کر دوں گا”۔ یہ ان دنوں کی بات ہے جب نواز شہباز کے ساتھ میر شکیل کی لڑاءی انتہاءی عروج پر تھی اور ایک دن تو ایسا بھی آیا تھا کہ جب جنگ اخبار صرف ایک صفحہ پر چھپا تھا کیونکہ پنجاب پولیس نے الرحمن بلڈنگ [مری روڈ پر روزنامہ جنگ کی عمارت] کو گھیرے میں لے رکھا تھا اور پرنٹنگ پیپر اندر داخل نہیں ہونے دیا جا رہا تھا۔ اور پھر مشکل وقت ٹل گیا، بیرونی مداخلت کے نتیجے میں روزنامہ جنگ ایک صفہ سے واپس سولہ صفحوں کا اخبار بن گیا۔ اس واقعہ کے بعد جنگ گروپ نے کھل کر میاں برادران کا میڈیا ٹراءل کیا اور اس کے چند ماہ بعد ہی فوجی مداخلت کے نتیجے میں حکومت ختم ہوگءی۔ پنڈی میں ایک یا دو عارضی ملازمین کو مستقل کرنے کے بعد وعدہ ختم ہو گیا۔ باقی کنٹریکٹ ملازمین کنٹریکٹ پر ہی رہے تاہم میر صاحب کی جیت نے ادارے کو اور زیادہ مظبوط بنا دیا اور سال دو سال کے عرصہ میں ادارے نے بہت سے ریگولر ملازمین بھی جبری ریٹاءر کر کے گھر بھیج دیے جن میں یونین عہدیداران بھی شامل تھے۔ تو استاد غالب سے معذرت کے ساتھ عامر لیاقت کے لیے تو استاد کے شعر میں محض اتنی سی تبدیلی کی گستاخی کافی ہے ۔۔۔۔
    “ترے وعدے پر جیے ہم تو یہ میر جھوٹ جانا ۔۔۔ کہ خوشی سے مر نہ جاتے اگر اعتبار ہوتا”
    ۔۔۔ مگر کل وسیم بادامی نے بھی کاشف عباسی سے ملتا جلتا جواب دیا “جنگ گروپ اپنے آپ کو پاکستان کا سب سے بڑا ادارہ سمجھتا ہے جو کے وہ ہے”۔ دونوں شاید یہ جملہ بول کر خود کو بہت حقیقت پسند ظاہر کرنا چاہ رہے ہونگے اچھی بات ہے۔ لیکن اگر میں انیس سو ننانوے سے دو ہزار چار تک کا وقت یاد کروں کہ جب حامد میر روزنامہ اورصاف کے مدیر تھے تو مجھے اچھی طرح یاد ہے کہ ان دنوں روزنامہ اوصاف کی غیر سرکاری سرکولیشن جنگ گروپ سے کہیں زیادہ تھی۔ میرا واستہ پریس والوں سے رہتا تھا۔ وہ آف دی ریکارڈ جو جنگ پنڈی کی سرکولیشن بتاتے تھے وہ سرکاری کاغزوں میں درج اعداد و شمار سے کم از کم دو تین گنا کم تھی۔ اسی طرح آج بھی اگر میں اپنے ارگرد اور عزیزو اقارب کے گھروں کی بات کروں تو جب کبھی ان لوگوں کے گھروں میں جانے کا اتفاق ہوتا ہے تو جیو بہت کم نظر آتا ہے۔ اور اگر میں اپنی بات کروں تو مجھے کیپیٹل ٹاک دیکھے کم وبیش ایک سال سے زیادہ عرصہ ہو چکا ہے۔ پہلے کبھی نجم سیٹھی کو سن لیا کرتا تھا لیکن جب سے ان کے پروگرام کا وقت اور ان کی اپنی لاءن بدلی ہے تب سے وہ بھی کبھی نہیں دیکھا۔ تو خیر مجھے نہیں پتا کہ یہ غیر ضروری بات کر کے کاشف عباسی اور وسیم بادامی کو کتنے نفلوں کا سواب مل رہا ہے ہاں یہ ضرور ہے کہ جیو اور جنگ گروپ کو مفت کی پبلسٹی مل رہی ہے۔ اور ساتھ ہی جنگ گروپ کی اے آر واءی پر بے وجہ کی نفسیاتی برتری نظر آ رہی ہے۔ میری زاتی راءے میں اگر دونوں گروپس کے اینکرز کا موازنہ کیا جاءے تو وسیم بادامی اور کاشف جنگ گروپ کے اینکرز سے بہت بہتر نظر آتے ہیں مگر یہ لوگ نفسیاتی طور پر ان سے اتنے دبے ہوءے کیوں ہیں، خود کو ان سے چھوٹا کیوں خیال کرتے ہیں، اور یہ بتانا بھی کیوں ضروری سمجھتے ہیں اس کا جواب یہ دونوں حضرات ہی بہتر دے سکتے ہیں۔ خود اعتمادی زیادہ بھی اچھی نہیں لگتی جیسے مبشر لقمان کو دیکھنا ایک سزا محسوس ہوتا ہے مگر اتنی کم بھی نہیں ہونی چاہیے کہ آپ بے وجہ دوسروں سے مرعوب نظر آنے لگیں۔ باقی نہ حامد میر غیر ملکی ہے اور نا یہ فوج کسی اور کی ہے۔ کڑوا سچ یہی ہے کہ کل فوج نے طالبان بناءے تھے [اور شاید ابھی تک اچھے برے طالبان کی سوچ میں غرق ہے] اور اللہ حامد میر کو صحت دے مگر حامد میر بھی یہاں کسی روشن خیالی کی نماءندگی نہیں کرتے رہے۔ طالبان سے ان کے تعلقات کسی سے پوشیدہ نہیں ہیں۔ براءے نام روشن خیال اور جمہوریت پسند بھی تھوڑا صبر سے کام لیں پہلے ہی وہ طالبان کی پسند افتخار چوہدری کو عوام اور سول سوساءیٹی کا ہیرو بنا کر اس ملک کو ناقابل تلافی نقصان پہنچا چکے ہیں۔
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    Hassan Mujtaba
    26 Apr 2014
    In the first instance, should we not be asking why the attack on Hamid Mir is more condemnable than the many more attacks and everyday injustices faced by ordinary people who do not enjoy celebrity status here?
    http://www.dawn.com/news/1102197/politics-as-parody
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    Shahram Azhar and 6 others like this.

    Hassan Mujtaba Shahram Azhar sir jee your comments??
    20 hours ago · Like

    Shahram Azhar Well, every attack on every innocent is condemnable. As a rule, we are opposed to violence (except in self defense).

    However, We got to know about this particular incident because of two reasons:

    1) HM is a lot more influential in terms of the fact that he is an opinion maker. He had started receiving threats after his program on Mama Qadeer: it’s a must watch if you haven’t seen it already.

    2) Hm is backed by a major media group.

    The point that most people (including some leftists) don’t understand is that freedom of speech, a relatively independent judiciary and a representative parliament are beneficial for people who want to do workers and peasants organizational struggle in Pakistan. Why? Because we know that we can engage in legal forms of struggle. Without these rights even our basic organizational rights are taken away.
    15 hours ago · Like · 1

    Fatimah Ihsan Shahram: comrade don’t forget where Hamid mir is coming from, let’s not forget his past and his ties with the establishment – i see the current scenario as nothing more than a disullisioned/disenchanted ’employee’ complaining against his bosses…having said this I think we can use this opportunity to say what we feel about the intelligence agencies and the fauj.. but in our way and style, let’s not make those heroes who are not. Also, his recent ‘support’ for mama qadeer has to be taken with a grain of salt. I was part of the march etc and though hamid mir has been vocal about the Baloch issue, it is his way of getting back to the establishment and he has done nothing but used this narrative to his own benefit. I, for one, am not going to fall for this at all, except how we can use this opportunity to expose the establishment. No need to make heroes out of those who have had a past that they must be accountable for!
    14 hours ago · Like · 3

    Fatimah Ihsan Just wanted to add: this is NOT about hamid mir, it is about the thousands of people martyred due to the ISI and the army, the FC and so on.. let’s keep our priorities and vision clear
    14 hours ago · Like · 4

    Fahad Rizwan fatima : But you see comrade , Hamid mir issue has provided us a medium via which we could broadcast our criticism of military establishment
    14 hours ago · Like · 2

    Fatimah Ihsan Yes that is what i mean about having that space that has been provided to us through a side effect of something, use the issue, expose what needs to be exposed but please let us not make him a hero!!
    14 hours ago · Like · 2

    Fatimah Ihsan And we who belong to the Left have to be a step ahead of everyone else!
    14 hours ago · Like

    Fahad Rizwan comrade hamari traf sy tu beshak mar jata ,balky agr mar jata tu zayada acha hota ISI defensive mei aa jaati … He is not a hero , not at all . he is a right wing journalist who always promoted prejudices and hatred
    14 hours ago · Like · 3

    Fatimah Ihsan Yes Fahad precisely, so let us not make him a hero but focus on the real issue…
    14 hours ago · Like · 1

    Fahad Rizwan one could listen this tape , listen how pathetic hamid mir is towards minorities .
    http://playit.pk/watch?v=dUalitCN9Rs

    Hamid Mir Call Recorded – Exposed Part 1
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    This video uploaded by Xeestdotcom is ON AIRED ON Different Television Channels of Pakistan. They ..
    14 hours ago · Like · 1

    Shahram Azhar Fatimah Ihsan, I don’t think in terms of heroes/villains. At least not any more. As far as I am concerned this is a power struggle and in that power struggle the Army and the ISI are the criminals and Hamid Mir is the victim. I don’t think that the ISI attacked Hamid Mir because of his “right-wing” political orientation but rather because of his upright stand on Balochistan. History, and concrete circumstances propel ordinary (and even right-wing people) into situations where they take anti status-quo positions. So it is history and not the whims of a left-leaning Pakistani (like me) that makes “heroes”. There is something fundamentally wrong with the logic of our political economy and that is the fact that the army and the ISI dominate it from above. We live in a praetorian state that we have inherited from colonialism.

    It is this precise material circumstance that pushes the army to end up attacking even its former allies. A very good example is the PMLN which, at least historically, had very cozy relations with the Army. The narrow economic and political interests of the army propelled these two political groups (PMLN vs Army) into an antagonistic course.

    Anyways, returning to Hamid Mir: individuals matter only in so far as they personify social relations. Which group in society does HM represent? The group (a bourgeois group admittedly) that sells ‘information and news’, a.k.a “media”. The point is that I think that despite all of its negativity (I have referred to the Pakistani media as having 66 Fox News on previous occasions) the net result of the “free bourgeois media” in Pakistan has been a rise in the political consciousness of our people.
    It is this rise in the political consciousness which I absolutely admire and want to hold on to. But obviously, the army (which rules through secrecy and violence) does not want “information” to be publicized.

    The question then is: Where do we stand with respect to this struggle (The struggle over information)?

    I stand with Hamid Mir (who is in the present political situation a personification of the right to public information)
    13 hours ago · Like · 1

    Fatimah Ihsan I stand with my own intuition and with the understanding that side-effects are not the real panacea for anything
    13 hours ago · Like

    Shahram Azhar Comrade if our support for groups/individuals is only contingent upon complete agreement with their views then we can only participate in “communist” circles. Don’t you think that we will have to broaden our spectrum if we must break into mainstream mass political circles?
    13 hours ago · Edited · Like

    Shahram Azhar Fahad Rizwan the recording that you have posted above means absolutely nothing. why?

    A journalist has to throw a lot of red herrings to get information on the subject that he wants information about. An investigative journalist is someone who has practiced that art for many many years and learns to “play the insider” with the subject. He has to “go native” and make him feel that he is one of their own.

    This is what hamid mir is doing in that call that has been recorded by the ISI.
    13 hours ago · Edited · Like

    Fatimah Ihsan I am not religious, Shahraam, but have to say: Jesus!!!!
    12 hours ago · Like

    Hassan Turi Sharam sir, two weeks ago you did a debate with Taimur that we should not support any party ? So, for me Hamid Mir, corporate media is in itself a party, so i cant support hamid mir but as Fahad said, we could talk benifit of the event to criticize army.
    12 hours ago · Like · 1

    Fahad Rizwan We as a political workers must be smart enough to use the differences of ruling elite in favour of working class . Today ,in our country primary contradiction is between civilian and military establishment . We must exploit their differences in a way in which we do not lose our own Marxist identity and position .
    12 hours ago · Like · 2

    Fatimah Ihsan fahad: Touche’ that is what i mean!
    12 hours ago · Like · 1

    Shahram Azhar Hassan, Jang Group is not a political party. PPP is.

    Fatima: Comrade Jesus to hamaray hain
    12 hours ago · Like

    Fahad Rizwan @shahram is speaking of stealth strategy of hamid mir . It is like i sneak in within the ranks of sipah e sahahba and ask question in this manner ‘ji maulana shia bht hi ganada kafir hy mei tu jab kisi shia ki shakal dekh lo tu gher ja kr nahaya krta hon itni nafrat hy mjhy in sy ‘
    maulana : mashallah , apka emaan bht mazboot hy
    fahad : acha maulana phir bataeye , agla khudkush kaha ho ga ?

    and then i get all the secrets ….
    12 hours ago · Like · 1

    Fatimah Ihsan Shahraam: yes, Jesus is our comrade for sure what hassan meant was a diatribe against the jang group not a literal message
    12 hours ago · Like · 2

    Syed Riaz Al-Malik Hajjaji In the power struggle btw pro Taliban Hamid Mir (Taliban are still being backed by ISI) I am so happy that COMRADE Hamid Mir is being backed by many LEFT and LIBERAL. reminds me how same people made a Hero out of Abu Arsalan in 2007 and we all know how that turned out. When Hazrat Imran Khan, Hamid Mir, Ansar Abbasi, Abu Arsalan start showing new found concern for the Baloch cause, we Ghairatmands know how easy it is to appropriate a cause to not only fool Surkha Liberals but to use same cause for our true motives. for his decade long “concern” for the “Missing Persons Case, Abu Arsalan only did teeny token bit for the few Al Qaeeda suspects like Janjua of army but nothing substantial for the 8000 plus Baloch. Hamid Mir and other Bunjabi Ghairatmands are only using Baolch cause to Re-Brand the Taliban as a “Nationalist Movement” whose “Human rights” are violated whenever State does even token retaliation against its ISI backed Strategic Assets Fatimah Ihsan
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    Syed Riaz Al-Malik Hajjaji Fatimah Ihsan I see ur comments and you are doing disservice to the Jamaati cause by adding Nuance and complexity to this debate, hai. Why r u not impressed by Hamid Mir’s shallowness?
    2 hrs · Like

    Shahram Azhar Syed Riaz Al-Malik Hajjaji I think in your mind everything needs to be categorized in one of two boxes, one labelled pro-Taliban the other labelled “Anti-Taliban”. There are no pro-democracy, pro-dictatorship, pro-nationalist minorities or pro-freedom of conscience boxes. I wish there were and maybe we could gather some of the political economic information out there into THOSE boxes.

    This is not about the “individual” called Hamid Mir. It is about a very particular, human right: That is, the right to public information. No one agrees with anyone in totality; if that becomes the basis of allowing freedom of speech to people then NO one will have freedom of speech.
    2 hrs · Like

    Syed Riaz Al-Malik Hajjaji Whenever I see Hamid Mir’s gushing treatment of ASWJ-LeJ chief, Maulana Ludhianvi, I tick off the pro-freedom of conscience box. when I see Hamid Mir appropriating Baloch cause for his talks with the Taliban stance, I tick off the pro-nationalist box. when I hear Hamid Mir on Ahmadis and Shias, I tick off the minorities box. and when I see Hamid Mir’s “anti establishment” stance on Memogate, Raymond Davis, Kerry Lugar Bill, Memogate, bashing Gillani on attempting to take ISI under civilian control etc etc etc I see his “commitment” to pro-democracy box and tick that off to, Jazakallah. And when I see his passionate crusade to defend Dr. Arsalan Ibne Hazrat Ifikhar Chaudhary, I can finally understand why this Marxist Millionaire Maverick Hamid Mir ticks off all the boxes. One Taliban wing is attacking Hamid Mir and another Taliban wing is bashing its ISI Protectors. Some may call this a farce but Hajjaji is loving it!
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    Syed Riaz Al-Malik Hajjaji ASWJ did a PRO ISI anti GEO event – I wonder if that will make Hamid Mir change his pro ASWJ stance https://lubp.net/archives/298279