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“Not enough Shias killed in Pakistan yet to describe it as genocide”, says Sharmeen Obaid Chinoy

Source: World Shia Forum

In 2012 alone, more than 600 Shia Muslims of diverse ethnic backgrounds have been killed in Pakistan at the hands of Deobandi militants using varioius aliases and labels including Sipah-e-Sahaba (ASWJ aka LeJ), Taliban (TTP), Jundallah etc.

In total, more than 21,000 Shias have been killed in the last few decades by the same Deobandi Takfiri militants who are also killing Sunni Sufis or Barelvis, Ahmadis, Christians, Hindus and other communities. However, according to Oscar awarding winning film maker Sharmeen Obaid Chinoy, not enough Shia Muslims have been killed so far to classify it as genocide.

Increasingly, writers and activists in Pakistan and international media are describing the phenomenon as genocide. For example, refer to these resources:

Is Shia genocide an adequate term to describe the plight of Pakistan’s Shia Muslims?

Shia Genocide: Shia genocide: nameless crime, faceless victims —- —Dr Mohammad Taqi

Discourse of Shia genocide: https://lubpak.net/archives/tag/discourse-of-shia-genocide

While we understand why certain countries and organizations (e.g., USA, UK, Iran, EU, UN, Amnesty, HRW, HRCP etc) may be hesitating from using the word Shia genocide due to legal and political reasons, we also know that international community does not have a great past record when it comes to warning or classification of genocide for tragedgies in Germany, Rwanda, Bosnia and now in Pakistan and Iraq.

Sharmeen Chinoy is not alone. Her friend, pro-establishment Pakistani journalist Nasim Zehra too has publicly denied the existence of Shia genocide in Pakistan. Here is an extract from her intrview with BBC Urdu:





Previously Sharmeen has offered problematic and very shallow analysis of the roots and reasons of terrorism in Pakistan completely wiping out the hate ideologies inherent in Salafi and Deobandi cults and the existence of global Salafi Wahabi and Deobandi terrorism. https://lubpak.net/archives/327167

We ask Sharmeen Chinoy and others to break their silence on the systematic Shia genocide in Pakistan in which Deobandi Jihadists and sectarian extremits seem to have been given free hand by certain rogue elements in the State / security establishment to kill Shias, Sunni Sufis and Barelvis, Ahmadis, Christians etc and such killings are accepted as collateral damage by the Jihadist assets of the State.

We also ask rights activists to refrain from misrepresenting Shia genocide in Hazara ethnic, Mohajir ethnic etc terms and also refrain from using false Saudi-Iran or Sunni-Shia binaries which do not explain why Sunni Sufis, Barelvis, Ahmadis, Christians and Hindus are being killed by Deobandi terrorists.

In particular, we request Pakistani directors of the Amnesty International and HRW to mobilize the much needed international support and attention to the largely ignored and misrepresented Shia genocide taking place in Pakistan.

We request all thought leaders and activists to:

1. Cleary identify the victim communities being target killed due to their faith, i.e., Shia Muslims (including Twelvers, Ismailis, Bohris – more than 22,000 killed), Sunni Sufis and Barelvis (thousands killed), Christians (1,000 killed), Ahmadis (300 killed), Hindus (100 killed) etc.

2. Cleary identify the perpetrators of violence, hate speech and Takfiri fatwas, i.e., Deobandi clerics, terror outfits and madrassas. The Deobandi terror outfits use various aliases and labels such as ASWJ, LeJ, TTP, Jundallah etc to enact their violent agenda. They have the support of Deobandi clerics and madrassas including Fazl-ur-Rehman, Mufti Naeem, Sami-ul-Haq, Rafi Usmani, Hanif Jalandhri etc.

3. Write columns, articles, novels, poems and research reports on Shia genocide in Pakistan at the hands of Deobandi terrorists. Make documentaries on this topic to develop awareness in Pakistani and international media.

4. Work with rights groups and welfare agencies to provide relief to victims and their families.

5. Work with the UN, US State Department, EU etc to implement strict sanctions and penalties on Deobandi terrorist outfits and their leaders, enablers and sponsors in Deobandi madrassas, clerics, Pakistani establishment and Saudi Arabia.




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  • Are we surprised?! One is a racist bigot. The other used the Saleem Shahzad case to get his name in the international media and then washed his hands off the whole thing.

  • Down with jews, Sunni Sufis and Shias!
    kill them and free your world.


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    Taimur Rahman:
    How many more have to die?

    Ale Natiq:
    Aunty Sharmeen aik number bata dain takay hum wait kar lain aur inko takleef na ho. 40 hazar kafi hain ya 50 kar lain?

    Syed Ali Irtiza:
    She means that we should wait till the number increases. May be Making a movie abt 50 thousand dead can’t get you an oscar, but one on 5 lac deaths does. She knows more. She is waiting for the opportune time. She will eventually talk about it. Let the numbers increase.

    Syed Kashif Rizvi:
    Whats the point of this discussion please

    Syed Riaz Al-Malik Hajjaji
    Syed Kashif Rizvi, the point of this discussion is that never underestimate the Douche-ability of Sufyani Liberals. When one outsources one’s own activism to those who peddle their good fortune in other people’s misery without any principled ownership, then be ready to have one’s cause destroyed. Be ready for Shia Genocide to be peddled as a “sectarian comflict” between “Jhang-Safawi feudals who critisize Sahaba Caliph Yazeed” vs “Muawiya Marxist guerrillas engaged in class struggle who cannot resist Genocidal impulse whenever they dont get all the jobs in Iraq”. These Sufyani liberals, in conjunction with ISI-ASWJ backed Hazara Democratic Party, have already separated the targeting of Shia Hazaras from the overall Shia Genocide in this country And reduced it to a simple ethnic issue. These Sufyani Liberal types have never accepted Shia Genocide and the Mazloomiat of victims – but like typical Jamaatis, aided by Uncle Tom Shias – are always providing justification and blaming the victims

    Syed Kashif Rizvi:
    Well written. .Syed Riaz Al-Malik Hajjaji … now everyone knows the point of this discussion! Thank you

    Aamir Hussaini
    مجھے زیادہ تو نہیں معلوم لیکن اتنا جانتا ہوں شرمین عبید چنائے کوجس ڈاکومنٹری فلم پر آسکر ایوارڈ ملا اور وہ اتنی معروف ہوئی نیز اس نے اتنے پیسے کمائے کہ وہ مالا مال ہوگئی اس فلم کا مرکزی کردار ادا کرنے والی عورت سے اس نے جو وعدے کئے تھے وہ پورے نہ کئے ، اور اس سے رابطہ بھی نہ کیا ، اس کے اعزاز میں جو تقریبات ہوئیں وہاں بھی اس عورت کو کبھی بلایا نہیں گیا ، اسے ٹشو پیپر کی طرح استعمال کرکے پھینک دیا اور وہ بیچاری کبھی ملتان پریس کلب تو کبھی مظفر گڑھ پریس کانفرنسیں کرتی پھرتی تھی ، وہ کہتی تھی کہ اس فلم میں کام کرنے کی وجہ سے اس کے گھر والوں نے اسے چھوڑ دیا اور اب اس کے پاس سر چھپانے کے لئےبھی جگہ نہیں ہے
    شرمین عبید چنائے سمیت پاکستان کے اندر ایسے لبرل ہیں جو ٹھیک معنوں میں یزیدی لبرل ہیں اور ان کے ہاں شیعہ ہوں یا عیسائی یا احمدی کسی کی بھی تکفیریوں کے ھاتھوں ہونے والی ھلاکتیں نسل کشی نہیں لگتیں
    اس سے لاکھ درجے فہم و شعور درمندی کااظہار تو اس سے عمرمیں کہیں جونئیر فاطمہ بھٹو نے کیا جس نے کہا کہ
    پاکستان میں شیعہ پر حملے عیسائی و احمدی و ہندو سے بڑھ گئے ہیں
    فاطمہ بھٹو نے جس حقیقت کو پالیا اس حقیقت کو زبردستی اور بد دیانتی کے ساتھ یزیدی لبرل دھندلانے پر ہمہ وقت آمادہ بیٹھے ہیں
    میں یہاں پر ٹرم جینوسائیڈ کی اصطلاحی تعریف کے بارے میں ماہریں سماجیات کے اقوال پیش کرکے شرمین چنائے عبید کی بددیانتی کا پول کھولنے کا کوئی ارادہ نہیں رکھتا ،کیوں اس جیسی حماقتیں اور بے ایمانی پر مبنی فتوے جعلی سول سوسائٹی کے بڑے بڑے کھڑپینچ پہلے بھی دیتے رہے ہیں ، یہ جو عاصمہ جہانگیر سمیت جعلی سول سوسائٹی کے گرو گھنٹال ہیں سب کے سب اصل میں شیعہ نسل ،کشی کے زمہ داروں کو سلیمانی ٹوپی پہناکر غائب کرنے کی کوشش کرتے ہیں

    Syed Riaz Al-Malik Hajjaji
    Very well said Aamir Hussaini to reiterate your points, the Fake Yazeedi liberals have not only failed to protest Shia Genocide, they have actively obfuscated it and in collaboration with Uncle Tom types, even provided justification for Shia Genocide and simultaneously done their best to obscure the role of the Deobandi Mafia that is targeting not only Shias but Sunnis, Christians and Ahmadis as well Sibtain Naqvi Mohammed Askari Chandeux

  • Thanks a ton for blogging this. I am suprirsed by Sharmeen’s ambigious stance on Shia genocide by Deobandi terrorists.