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Takfiri Deobandis are the biggest threat to Pakistan and Islam – by Zaid Hamid

Related post: Thank you, Allama Dr Tahir-ul-Qadri, for bold fatwa against Takfiri suicide bombers

Editor’s note: Adapted and edited by LUBP for clarity and coherence. Indeed, we continue to respect moderate Deobandis who must not be confused with Takfiri Deobandi terrorists. The article does not exactly match with the original version published on ZH’s facebook page.

Read this post slowly and carefully. No one will dare to tell you this in Pakistan.

The biggest threat to Pakistan now is from Takfiri Khawarij (Kharijites) and their deviant murderous ideology. Indeed Khawarij are a great fitnah which our nation does not realize.

Although the dominant majority of Takfiri Khaarijites in Pakistan is of Deobandi sub-sect (Taliban, Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, Sipah-e-Sahaba etc), understand this that Khawarij is NOT a sect. They are infiltrators in Islam and Muslim sects. It is a mentality of anarchy and chaos. They are Takfiris (mostly radicalized Salafis and Deobandis) who call Muslims as Kafirs and apply the verses of Quran on Muslims which have come for non-Muslims.

They would call Muslim leaders as Kafirs, Muslim state as Kafir, and Muslim sects particularly Sufis and Shias as Kafir.

They would be extremely religious with long beards and praying all night and fasting all day but they would be the “dogs of hell”.

In Muslims history, Khawarij Takfiris have come from various sects in various times at various places. Sectarian differences and religious disagreements are present all over the Muslim world in entire history but they cannot be called Khawarij until they wage a war on the entire Muslim ummah and start to kill and slaughter the Muslims due to religious differences. Sects or munazra type sectarian groups can be deviant, sinful, confused, but to call them Khawarij, certain very strict conditions have to be met. This is critical to understand.

In the past, Khawarij killed Hazrat Ali (RA); demolished shrine of Hazrat Fatimah (RA). Today men like Ayman al Zawahiri, Ahmad Ludhianvi, Rafi Usmani, and Hakeem ullah Mehsud are doing the same.

Today, they are the TTP, LeJ, ASWJ, DPC in Pakistan.

They call Quaid e Azam as Kafir, Allama Iqbal as Kafir, Pakistan as Kafiristan and are on a mission to destroy or take over Pakistan and slaughter fellow Muslims and fellwo Pakistanis. Khawarij are the most dangerous weapon in the hands of enemies of Pakistan and Islam.

But who are the TTP, LeJ, ASWJ, DPC etc and from where they have emerged? This is critical to understand.

Within the Muslims, there are many sects. Shias and Sunnis are two large ones but there are many sub sects within them also. For example in Pakistan, we have Asna Ashari Shias, Ismaili Shias, Ahl Hadees sect, Deobandis, Barelvis, Sufis etc.

Within Sunnis, Pir Jamaat Ali Shah, ameer e millat was a Faqeeh of Ahl sunnat wal Jamaat and the entire Muslim nation followed him to support Quaid e Azam. Raja sahib Mehmood abad and many top Muslim league leaders were Shias and supported the Pakistan movement also. Muslim league was formed by Sir Agha Khan, who was an Ismaili Shia.

We do not approve of sectarian divides within Muslims but mentioning this just to explain our point. Of course, we respect all sects of Islam including Sunni and Shia and treat them as equal Muslims and equal Pakistanis.

When Pakistan was created all Muslims from all sects supported Pakistan strongly except a political party Jamiat e Ulama e Hind from Deobandi school. Deobandis are more inclined towards Salafi-Wahhabi ideology. They decided to side with the Congress and were thus called as Congressi Muslims in history. These are historical facts and cannot be denied. Till this day, despite the slaughter of thousands of Muslims in Kashmir, Gujarat etc, the Congressi Mullahs of Deoband India still support Congress. Allama Iqbal had fiercely attacked the deobandi leader Maulvi Hussain Ahmed Madni and taunted him harshly that they are following the path of “Abu Lahab”. Again, this entire episode is part of Kalam e Iqbal and cannot be denied. Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah said that Congress’s Deobandi leader Abul Kalam Azad was only a show boy (a token) with little interest in Muslims well being. Manzoor Numani, a Deobandi scholar is the pioneer in Takfeer (apostatizing) of Shia and Sunni Barelvi in the Subcontinent; his hate literature was used by LeJ, ASWJ, Taliban to justify murder of Shia and Sunni Barelvi. Takfeeri Deobandis have helped Pakistan’s enemies through these activities.

Within the Deobandi school, two groups were created. One tiny group was pro-Pakistan and supported Quaid e Azam. Other, majority group, which held the Deoband Darul Uloom, was anti-Pakistan and remain at war with Muslims to this day. However, despite their support to Quaid-e-Azam, Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi and Maulana Shabbir Ahmed Usmani remained deeply anti-Sufi and anti-Shia. Allama shabbir Ahmed Usmani was the evil mind behind the Objectives Resolution and also claimed to see Rasul Allah (sm) in his dream and Rasul Allah (sm) called Quaid e Azam as his soldier; what a fraud!

All those Pakistani Muslims and especially from Deoband must ponder deep on these words of Allama Iqbal. Iqbal has said that “unknowingly, the Deoband are harming the Muslims and serving the British! The pro-Congress scholars of deoband should now accept their blunder and must do tauba and abandon their war against Pakistan. There is no greater Faqeer, darvesh and Mujaddid of the Millat than Allama Iqbal. Do NOT let prejudiuce of your sect come into your way. For 9o years, the Congressi Deoband Mullahs have been attacking Muslims and Islam. (Source)

Deobandi Ulama are never Pakistan’s friends. Jamaat e Islami also opposed Pakistan in the beginning and was a part of massacres of Bengali people in 1971. Many Al Qaeda, TTP and LeJ Takfiri terrorists have been apprehended from houses of Jamaat-e-Islami office bearers.

These Takfiri mullahs of Deoband who came to Pakistan and even though they still live in Pakistan, they have never accepted Pakistan as a state for Muslims. They always speak against Pakistan’s ideology, against Allama Iqbal, call Quaid e Azam as Kafir and have now been armed by Suadi-Salafi-Takfir financiers to wage war against Pakistan. They were here for the last 65 years but never had weapons, training camps and bases to start their war against Pakistan and Muslims. Now they have and thus we see this ruthless war against all Muslims – against all sects, against all Pakistanis and against Pak army.

Taliban, LeJ, ASWJ, SSP, Jundullah are anti-Pakistan deobandi-wahhabi Takfiri gangs waging a war against Muslims and are the Khawarij of today. Their brothers and friends are present in political parties of Pakistan (Jamaat Islami, Difa Pakistan Council, PTI etc), in government, in media and in many deobandi scholars of Pakistan (Rafi Usmani, Taqi Usmani, Ludhianvi etc). Their militant arm is TTP and LeJ but they also have many political, religious and government arms who silently spread venom and poison against Pakistan’s ideology.

The Khawarij of today are threatening all Muslims who are opposed to suicide bombings and war against Pakistan. Majority of deobandis in Pakistan are NOT khawarij but are too afraid to speak against these takfiri Fasadis. A few moderate scholars from deoband who spoke against Takfiri Deobandis and suicide bombings have been assassinated by these Kharjis. Great scholars of Ahl-Sunnat and Barelvis, Ahl-Hadees and Shias who have spoken against TTP have also been killed. Maulan Hasan Jan (Deobandi), Sarfraz Naeemi (Sunni Barelvi), Saleem Qadri (Barelvi), Hasan Turabi (Shia) etc.

All sects in Pakistan have spoken passively and weakly against suicide bombings but no one dares to call Taliban, LeJ, ASWJ as Khawarij, except Dr. Tahir ul Qadri but then he had to leave the country for security reasons. It is the most serious responsibility of Pakistani Deoband Ulama to speak against Taliban, LeJ, ASWJ and call them Khawarij. In a religious environment divided between sects, it is important that the scholars who belong to the sect of the TTP must speak out loudest.

Pakistani Deoband ulama must also condemn the Congressi Mullahs of India of Jamiat Ulama-e-Hind JUH and ask them to do tauba for supporting Nehru-led Congress and opposing Pakistan, as Allama Iqbal had said clearly that they were following the path of Abu Lahab. Deobandi Ulama must issue a fatwa that anyone who is a part of Taliban, LeJ, ASWJ or supports them is an enemy of Islam and Pakistan.

Khawarij and Takfiris of LeJ-ASWJ-Taliban are the biggest threat to all Muslims of all sects. It is NOT a sectarian issue. It is an issue of a fitnah which have risen in Pakistan and incidentally this gang of killers belong to Deobandi school. In Libya, Syria and other places, these Khawarij are in the shape of Salafis also. So, again, we say, it is NOT a sectarian issue. It is a religious issue of a deviant dangerous Takfiri ideology which is attacking all Muslims today in Pakistan.

Ulama of Deoband have the most highest responsibility as TTP, LeJ, ASWJ and their likes in Pakistan belong to Deoband school of who have always opposed Pakistan. There are political terrorists in Pakistan also like PTI, DPC, JI etc but they are terrorists but NOT Khawarij. Rasul Allah (s.a.w.) had clearly given definition of Khawarij which only applies to TTP-LeJ-ASWJ today. The so called Al-Qaeda, LeJ-ASWJ and TTP are the same gangs of Khawarij. Understand this clearly and fight against them or be killed at their hands.

May Allah have mercy upon our souls and protect us from the Fitnah of Khawarij. May Allah protect Pakistan and all Pakistanis from their sharr. May Allah guide Pakistan army to fight with Jihadi-sectarian Takfiris with full courage and integrity. Amen.

Source: Syed Zaid Zaman Hamid [Official] Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/syedzaidzamanhamid/posts/181082908693460

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  • Check Zaid Hamid documentry for waqt news on youtube where he says kingdom of najd(KSA) is Amercian slave and responsible for all muslim problems.

  • Don’t ignore moderate Deobandis sacrifice against Takfiri terrorists.

    Who is behind Shia Killings – The Government & Agencies says Maulana Fazl ur Rehman.

    http://www.tubechop.com/watch/522253

    Moderate Deobandis are themselves under threat from ISI-sponsored Takfiri Deobandis.

    Chief of his own faction of Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam Maulana Fazlur Rehman bemoaned the shifting of responsibility for poor law and order situation on religious groups.
    “It is unjustified to shift the entire burden of uncontrollable law and order situation on the religious segment of society,” Fazl said. The leadership of religious parties has played its role for religious harmony and ‘never’ fueled the fire of intolerance and sectarianism, the JUI-F chief said.
    He did acknowledge though that there were elements who wanted to promote sectarianism and intolerance.
    “These elements are used either by agencies or the government to achieve their targets,” he said, adding that such elements can be traced within political parties and even the government.

    http://tribune.com.pk/story/432288/parliament-ponders-who-to-blame-for-law-and-order-mess/

    ’فرقہ وارانہ تشدد میں حکومتی اداروں کا ہاتھ‘

    پاکستان میں ایک بڑی مذہبی سیاسی جماعت جمیعت علماء اسلام کے اپنے دھڑے کے سربراہ مولانا فضل الرحمٰن نے کہا ہے کہ پاکستان میں فرقہ وارانہ فسادات میں مذہبی جماعتوں کا نہیں بلکہ حکومتوں اور سیکورٹی اداروں کا ہاتھ رہا ہے۔
    یہ بات انہوں نے بدھ کی شام گئے شروع ہونے والے قومی اسمبلی کے اجلاس میں ملک میں امن و امان کی صورتحال پر ہونے والی بحث میں حصہ لیتے ہوئے کہی۔

    انہوں نے کہا کہ ملک میں فرقہ واریت تب بڑھتی ہے جب سیکورٹی ادارو اور حکومتوں کو اپنی سیاسی ضروریات کے لیے اس کی ضرورت پڑتی ہے اور وہی اس کے ذمہ دار ہیں

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/2012/09/120905_fazalur_rehman_sectarian_ra.shtml

    Qazi Hussain Ahmed was threatened by TTP in a recent video because of his unity stance with Shias.

    In another LeJ video beheading two Shias, LeJ Takfiris threatened Maulana Sheerani and Maulana Kifayatuallah for their refusal to support the Takfir of Shias.

    http://criticalppp.com/archives/224853

  • Maulan Manzur Nomani was the biggest Takfiri Deobandi, the spiritual father of SSP, LeJ, ASWJ in the Subcontinent.

    He compiled a book of fatwas against Shia and Sunni Barelvi.

    An article for a Deobandi web site on his death:

    http://www.central-mosque.com/biographies/mmanzoor.htm

    Maulana Muhammad Manzoor Numani(RA)

    Search WWW Search http://www.central-mosque.com

    On 27th Zul Hijjah 1417 (5 May 1997), another star of knowledge and piety set. The demise of Moulana Muhammed Manzoor Numani (RA) touched the heart of thousands of Muslims around the world who knew him either personally or through his writings.

    Moulana Sayid Abul Hasan Nadwi (RA), a contemporary of Moulana Numani (RA) and a great author of our times addressing a congregation in the Nadwatul Ulama Musjid, emphatically outlined the remarkable achievements and qualities of the deceased. Moulana Nadwi spent some fifty years as his close associate and companion and had requested him to settle in Lucknow after he had begun his Dîni work in Bareilly.

    Moulana Numani’s (RA) speech and writings speak volumes about his erudition and all-round knowledge of tafsîr, hadîth, fiqh and the deviated sects. Having obtained his knowledge from the likes of Allamah Anwar Shah Kashmiri (RA), it is no wonder that he was so thoroughly versed and immersed in knowledge. He remained engrossed in Dîni activity till the end of his life.

    Moulana (RA) was well acquainted with the beliefs and ideologies of all deviated sects. He used to quote from the books as if he was reading out text, from a book. Moulana was an expert debator and he defended Islam against the beliefs of the Qadiyanis, Barelwis and others. He protected Islam from all the forms of shirk and, bidah.

    When the situation in India deteriorated for, the Muslims, he intended to establish a movement for the defence of all Muslim. For this aim he traveled to all the different centers of learning in India and Pakistan with Moulana Abul Hasan Ali Nadwi (RA). Finally they reached Nizamuddin and consulted Moulana Ilyas (RA). They eventually decided to lend their full support for the work of Dawah and towards this end they travelled to many cities and addressed the masses.

    Moulana Numani’s (RA) political thinking was greatly influenced by his alma mater and he became associated with Jamiatul Ulama Hind, the most notable among the ‘nationalist’ Muslim groupings. Although he was nor a member of its central committee, his understanding of Indian politics seemed to command the respect of the Jamiat leadership. He used to be invited specially to important sessions of the jamiat. Moulana (RA)was bay’at to Hadrat Raipuri (RA) who used to say that on the day of Qiyâmah if Allâh Ta’âla has to ask what he brought, he would reply that he brought Moulana Numani(RA).

    Moulana Numani (RA) combined both the work of Da’wah and being an educationist. Most often the one who is involved in Da’wah does not have the time for studying while the on involved with books cannot spare time for Da’wah. Moulana managed to do both tasks simultaneously.

    Although Moulana (RA)was a graduate of Deoband, he had very close links with Nadwa. On the insistence of its, authorities, he taught hadîth at Nadwa and remained a member of the administration for a very long period.

    Moulana (RA) was an excellent author. He wrote many books that have been widely accepted. Most of them have been translated into English.

    Amongst others, he wrote a detailed work on hadîth called Ma’ariful Hadîth [Meaning and Message of the Traditions] ‘What is Islam?’; ‘What the Qur’ân tells you’ and Dîn and Sharî‘ ah’. Notwithstanding all his other obligations, he published a monthly journal ‘Al Furqân’ which is an internationally accepted magazine.

    May Allâh Ta’âla grant the Ummah benefit through all his publications and grant him Jannah Firdous.

    Amîn.

  • Maulana Manzoor Nu’mani . Some of his best known works are Ma’aariful Hadith (a very lucid and comprehensive 4-Volume introduction to the Hadith for the general reader) Islam kiyaa hai? and Khomeini and the Iranian revolution (a well researched exposition of the origin and the open and hidden doctrines of the Ithna ‘Asharia Shias.

    He also established the journal Al-Furqan, now under the editorship of his son Maulana Khalilur Rahman Sajjad Nu’mani.

  • Its a shame to kill fellow muslims or non muslims then Shout Allaho akbar when Allah is actually sending HIS azaab /wrath on ignorant -non practicing druggies of Pakistan. stop calling shiyya muslims, Kafir.Shame on you for calling One God worshipers Kafir. You cant even live peacefully in your own country when Muslims and other religions live peacefully in western cultures.. What’s one good thing about the country you call islamic jamhuriya. Shame on you. Let them live in peace. their difference in belief is between them and God. We all pray to same God, and its Him we are answerable to. Stop the senseless killing of humans whether muslims or not. how much do they practice Islam?/ They are not even close to any practicing muslim in character and dealings and they are followers of DEVIL obviously..Now Whole Muslim Community should Demand justice and murderers be hanged in public to teach lesson to this kind of terrorists.

  • Tahir ul Qadri is now LUBP’s new moderate maulana?

    Exposing Dr. Tahir-ul Qadri | The Rest of the Story

    “For three days from November 14 to 17, 1985 Dr Qadri presented his arguments continuously before the Federal Sharia Court of Pakistan to determine the quantum of punishment to be awarded to a person guilty of contempt of the finality of the Holy Prophet (blessings and peace be upon him), an extremely delicate legal matter.
    “He established, on evidence from the Quran and Sunna, that a person guilty of contempt of the finality of the Holy Prophet (blessings and peace be upon him) deserved death sentence and the punishment will be imposed as Hadd.
    “The act of contempt of the finality of the Prophet (blessings and peace be upon him) is a crime, which cannot be tolerated whether its commission is direct or indirect, intentional or un-intentional. The crime is so sanguine that even his repentance cannot exempt him from the penalty of death.
    “Dr Qadri placed a massive array of arguments before the learned Court and particularly stressed the point that no lacuna should be allowed in the legal structure of an Islamic state to encourage this form of sacrilege. The chambers of the Court will continue to reverberate with the passion and eloquence with which Dr Qadri conducted his defense of the sanctity and dignity of the the Holy Prophet (blessings and peace be upon him).
    So, thanks to the efforts of Dr Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri, followers of the Ahmaddiya sect were forbidden by law from using Islamic terminology, and faced the death penalty for publicly declaring their beliefs. And not just any death penalty, thanks to again to Qadri.

    http://ahmadiyyatimes.blogspot.co.uk/2011/09/exposing-dr-tahir-ul-qadri-rest-of.html

  • Minister cancels appearance at anti-radicalism conference

    Integration minister says she will not share stage with a controversial Muslim scholar that helped create Pakistan’s anti-blasphemy laws

    The minister for integration and social affairs, Karen Hækkerup (Socialdemokraterne), has pulled out of a conference on religious radicalism next week after she discovered that one of the speakers helped fashion Pakistan’s highly controversial anti-blasphemy laws.

    The conference’s organisers, the Danish Ethnic Youth Council, had invited the scholar Muhammad Tahir ul-Qadri, leader of the Muslim organisation Minhaj-ul-Quran, to speak on tackling religious radicalisation. The head of the domestic intelligence agency PET, Jakob Scharf, was also invited.

    http://cphpost.dk/news/national/minister-cancels-appearance-anti-radicalism-conference

  • This is NOT our article. The website LUBP has done grave moral and legal crime by attributing this article to us. It has added serious allegations, accusations and names in our original article and have greatly changed the contents from its original spirit and wisdom, creating a document which is fitnah, confusing and corrupt. It is our duty to inform all that please do NOT attribute this article to us. This is an intellectual fraud and a disinformation drive against our mission and person.

  • Why all children of Zia r becoming foot soldiers of LUBP, we r better off them. We have to win against them, not with them!

  • This is intellectual fraud and fitna .. you have heavily edited the information that is given on source facebook page http://www.facebook.com/syedzaidzamanhamid?sk=wall ..

    i dont know why are you deliberately creating fitna .. your editing reeks of hatred against our brothers in DPC, LeJ and their sponsors in Deobandi madrassas .. May ALLAH Tallah punish you accordingly ..

  • This article has not been written by Zaid Hamid. Someone else modified the article he wrote againt TTP so as to create hatred among the Muslim sects. Be aware about it my Muslim brothers.

    Zaid Hamid is only against Takfiri Deobandis, agents of Indian Congress:

    All those Pakistani Muslims and especially from Deoband must ponder deep on these words of Allama Iqbal. Iqbal has said that “unknowingly, the Deoband are harming the Muslims and serving the British! The pro-Congress scholars of deoband should now accept their blunder and must do tauba and abandon their war against Pakistan. There is no greater Faqeer, darvesh and Mujaddid of the Millat than Allama Iqbal. Do NOT let prejudiuce of your sect come into your way. For 9o years, the Congressi Deoband Mullahs have been attacking Muslims and Islam. (Source)

  • On his official website on facebook, Zaid Hamid has clarified that “This is NOT our article. The website LUBP has done grave moral and legal crime by attributing this article to us. It has added serious allegations, accusations and names in our original article and have greatly changed the contents from its
    original spirit and wisdom, creating a document which is fitnah, confusing and corrupt. It is our duty to inform all that please do NOT attribute this article to us. This is an intellectual fraud and a disinformation drive against our mission and person. ”

    https://www.facebook.com/syedzaidzamanhamid/posts/181082908693460

  • Visit ZAid Hamid’s official website for further details. It is ….. http://www.facebook.com/brasstackspakistan#!/syedzaidzamanhamid

    On his web site, Zaid Hamid writes the following words against Takfiri Deobandis, agents of Indian Congress:

    All those Pakistani Muslims and especially from Deoband must ponder deep on these words of Allama Iqbal. Iqbal has said that “unknowingly, the Deoband are harming the Muslims and serving the British! The pro-Congress scholars of deoband should now accept their blunder and must do tauba and abandon their war against Pakistan. There is no greater Faqeer, darvesh and Mujaddid of the Millat than Allama Iqbal. Do NOT let prejudiuce of your sect come into your way. For 9o years, the Congressi Deoband Mullahs have been attacking Muslims and Islam. (Source)

  • Zaid Hamid is the master of disinformation and propaganda. He is paid heavily by Army for that. Now again An army supported Zaid Hamid and LUBP on the same page! That is enough to ring some bells and people with a little bit of common sense will easily establish the links.

    Zaid hamid is a proven Liar. Now no one takes him seriously for his pro-army rhetoric. No TV channels gives space to his program which he used to do to fool innocent people. He is also involved in the case of a false prophet Yousaf Kazzab. By publishing Zaid Hamid’s articles LUBP will lose any credibility if it already has not lost.

  • Just as Sikhs originated from Hinduism, but are not Hindus, and Protestants came from Roman Catholicism, but are not Catholics, similarly, the Deobandi sect originated in the Sunni community, but are not strictly Sunnis.

  • Takfiris cannot be sponsored by the agencies because they are fighting the Army,why would Army dig it’s own grave????
    The elements of Afghan resistance organized by the ISI to resist soviet occupation SHOULD NOT be confused with these Khariji Takfiris who are butchering innocent people in Pakistan but the Afghan resistance fights the Americans in Afghaninstan….this is the major difference

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TjDR1miTbA

  • Zaid Hamid’s original post (edited and adapted by LUBP) can be seen on his official facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/syedzaidzamanhamid/posts/181082908693460

    Of course, we edited and cross-posted the article as per LUBP policy, particularly elements of hate speech against Hindus, Jews, other non-Muslims etc.

    We advise Zaid Hamid to remain firm on his stance against Takfiri Khawarij Deobandis, instead of chickening out and completely disowning the article.

  • Shame on you LUBP,I didn’t add any thing but just uptil the youtube link in my last comment,stop modifying the comments,as you did with Zaid Hamid’s article….

    Raza says:
    September 8, 2012 at 6:19 am
    Takfiris cannot be sponsored by the agencies because they are fighting the Army,why would Army dig it’s own grave????
    The elements of Afghan resistance organized by the ISI to resist soviet occupation SHOULD NOT be confused with these Khariji Takfiris who are butchering innocent people in Pakistan but the Afghan resistance fights the Americans in Afghaninstan….this is the major difference

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TjDR1miTbA

    (=========================

    Pakistani State’s ambivalent policies on Taliban – by Saleem Safi

    http://criticalppp.com/archives/224361

    Confessions of an ex-Jihadi: Afghan Jihad, Taliban, ISI and Our Hypocrisy

    http://criticalppp.com/archives/80827)

    The content within the brackets does not belong to my comment,the comment got modified

  • To mr zahid hamid I agree with your definition of khawarjis but i completely disagree with the allegation of just targeting deobandi muslims as khawargis ……. as the matter fact khawarjies also exist in other sects as well such as bralvis and sufies as well , and salafi and ahlehadees are totally different from deobandis so plz dont mix them up and kindly stop pointing out single sect as khawarjies…….. I personally know some persons from past through stories told by my elders and have also been to some sufi darbars which are totally operating against real islamic ideology….. and the story which i am referring to is that there used to be a men who had disguised him self as a peer and he was caught red handed to be an agent of RAW and he was caught by my grand father…. so admit this fact…..

  • Mr. Zaid Hamid has posted this article on facebook and has stated that LUBP have exaggerated his comments in the process of editing. He wrote that the editors have added extra sectarian language which makes Mr. Zaid’s article a direct attack towards Deobandis.
    I have read the original post of Mr. Zaid Hamid on this issue and I assure that he mentioned that he is not attacking the Deobandis because there were Deobandis who supported Pakistan movement as well, rather he was attacking that SPECIFIC GROUP of Deobandis who were against Pakistan.
    He said that it didn’t matter if they were Deobandis or of some other sect, it is in fact a coincedence that they are from Deoband. Their sect DOES NOT MATTER, it is their stand against Pakistan that has made Mr. Zaid Hamid target them, and I support his analysis. DEOBANDIS WERE NOT ATTACKED IN HIS ARTICLE, ONLY CONGRESSI MULLAHS WERE. Do not misinterpret his message through your “editing”.
    Mr. Zaid has not approved the article that you have posted on this site by his name.

  • This is not at all the original post that was published by Zaid Hamid.

    LUBP has edited that, its funny how they edit it and call it post from Zaid Hamid.

    They have inserted alot of negative things that Zaid Hamid didnot say.

    Read the original post on Zaid Hamids facebook page.

    http://www.facebook.com/syedzaidzamanhamid

    LUBP its such a shame that u guys try to bring bad name, and associate lies with people who speak truth.

  • Abdul Nishapuri says:
    September 8, 2012 at 11:25 am
    Zaid Hamid’s original post (edited and adapted by LUBP) can be seen on his official facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/syedzaidzamanhamid/posts/181082908693460

    Of course, we edited and cross-posted the article as per LUBP policy, particularly elements of hate speech against Hindus, Jews, other non-Muslims etc.

    We advise Zaid Hamid to remain firm on his stance against Takfiri Khawarij Deobandis, instead of chickening out and completely disowning the article.

    haha…..so you people edited out the “hate speech against non-muslims” and inserted “hate speech against sects”….hilarious..!!!
    you people are are pro Ahmadis/Qadianis,trying to spread venom against Deobandis,calling the Takfiris just because Ahmadis were declared non-Muslims.
    Qadianis are NON-Muslims by the very fundamentals according to all sects.
    Takfiris are those who wage war against the Muslims and kill them,there is a major difference between your definition of Takfiris and the one explained by Zaid Hamid,you cannot really relate his posts to promote your sick cause…..

  • Why we have to be so emotional or “jazbat” about Islam. Mind you that it is the best way of life. “jazbatiat leads to jahalat and jahalat leads to jazbatiat. It is a
    loop. Once we are in the loop, can’t get out of it. We put HOLY QURAN in pretty covers and that’s all the respect we have for the BOOK. We have been on the right extereme for so long that it is not even funny anymore.We
    have to ban “mullah ISLAM”. Anybody who calls any ‘KALIMA GO’ kafir, should be hanged.No mercy for that person because that is the greatest “gustakhi-e rasool”

  • zahid hamid is not pointing deobandies but he is being unjust by just pointing out negative aspects of deobandies even though they were coincidentally deobandies…… because my point remains the same such black sheeps exist in every sect whether it be deobandi or bralvi or shia…. and they are the one who are promoting extremist elements… and dividing us in sects…… moderate people from every sect are normal and non voilent…… so this matter has to be highlighted as well that such so called khawarjies does exist in other sects as well and are bringing harm to islam and are destroying its pure form……

  • This post shows that LUBP is sincerely open minded. While Zaid Hamid and LUPB, differ on a wide range of issues, there is till room for dialogue and discussion and reasonable discourse, especially in terms of finding common grounds.

    Both the Left and Right in Pakistan on the internet , sometimes engage in intellectual Takfirism, where someone plays a slightly different tune and is condemned as an ”agent” or ”enemy” both the Secular, Liberal, Left ,, Right sometimes engage in this.

    I am glad that atleast we can stop being personal and discuss things and find common ground.

  • well Mr. Zaid,

    I was liking u b4 this. but now I m gonna change my view. Tahirul Qadri… lol an unathenticated scholor… some time
    I think if he is really a muslim… check his bullshit videos on youtube… what he do is not the deeds of muslim…. n shia lol…. check shias video on youtube… they r saying that Jibrail (AS) was lier n Quran (Allah Forgive us) is lie… so how the hack they r muslim……

    I m doubted bout u now… oh Allah….

  • The author of this article is a Jhahil of the highest pedegre. A real ignorant sod who has no idea of akaabireen. Shun you. Umsus bazar al laat.

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  • ZH…. What credibility does he have? In this media war even a shemale can have huge following. Since media is a powerful platform every one is welcome in fact person with different ideas is more welcome. Tahir ul Qadri success begins when he gives kufar fatwa for taliban since then he is highlighted in the international media. Before fatwa he was popular among the interior punjab and remote areas of punjab. Now Mr Canadian Qadri wants to destabilise the democracy though democracy is not truly practiced but still it’s better then Marshall law. Let’s pray that may Allah guide us and enlightened the right path