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In the last few decades, Pakistani Muslims, particularly Sunni Muslims, have been experiencing a phenomenon which has been described by Professor Pervez Hoodbhoy as Saudi-ization of Pakistan.

Many Sunni Sufis (Barelvis) and moderate Deobandis and Ahl-e-Hadith (Indo-Pak version of Salafis or Wahhabis) have been undergoing a subtle transformation to more puritanical and intolerant Deobandi and Salafi interpretation of Islam.

Sufis and Barelvis are shifting towards Deobandis while Deobandis are shifting towards takfiri Deobandis and Takfiri Wahhabis. Even Ahl-e-Hadith of the Subcontinent are converting to more intolerant version of Takfiri Salafism.

According to a recent survey by Pew research, in Shia majority countries (e.g., Iraq, Lebanon), most Shias accept Sunnis as Muslims. Converse is not necessarily true in Sunni majority countries (e.g., Egypt, Pakistan etc). Increasing hatred of Shias and Sunni Sufis/Barelvis indicates growing Salafi Wahhabi and Deobandi influence in Muslim countries and communities.

Most interestingly, but not surprisingly (due to Saudi-project of unifying all Sunnis in Wahhabi-Salafi brand of Islam), majority of Sunnis in Pakistan seem to be unaware of important differences between peaceful Sunni Sufis/Barelvis and intolerant Deobandis and Wahhabis. Many of them are completely unaware of the creeping puritanism and intolerance in their own thoughts and practices.

A number of factors (media, preachers, televangelists, textbooks, Saudi funding, State policies etc) have enabled a gradual but sure conversion of moderate Sunni Muslims to more strict and puritanical Deobandi Salafi interpretation of Islam.

Those Sunnis who are aware of their Sunni Sufi cultural identity and roots are less likely to be affected by Deobandi and Salafi radical ideologies. Similarly, Shias and Ahmadis remain largely unaffected by  Deobandi and Salafi Wahhabi influences, however, they constitute a numerical minority in Pakistan (15% and 2% of Pakistan’s population respectively).

It is a proven fact that the majority of educated upper-middle class militants (e.g., Faisal Shahzad, Adnan Rashid, Rashid Rauf, Mohammad Sidique Khan etc) are affected by radical Deobandi or Salafi Wahhabi ideology. Almost none of the Islamist terrorists in or from Pakistan is from Sunni Sufi/Barelvi, Shia or Ahmadi backgrounds.

A terrorist is someone who uses the tactics of fear to spread a message of whatever social or political change they’d like to see.

What’s the likelihood that you (yes you) or individuals in your personal circle are affected by gradual, subtle conversion to radical Deobandi or Salafi Wahhabi ideology?

Here is a quick test which may help you in evaluating the probability that in a weak moment you or someone in your own family or friends could convert to a potential Jihadi militant. Please respond to all questions and tick as many boxes/choices as applicable.

1. Do you listen to speeches by any one or more of the following clerics or preachers:

(a) Dr. Zakir Naik (b) Dr. Israr Ahmed (c) Dr. Farhat Hashmi (d) Tariq Jamil (e) any other Deobandi or Salafi cleric (f) none of the above

2. How frequently do you listen to speeches of the above preachers:

(a) almost daily (b) weekly (c) monthly (d) only a few times in a year (e) very rarely (f) never

3. Do you consider Ahmadis:

(a) Murtid (apostate) or/and Wajib-ul-Qatl (must be killed) (b) a British conspiracy against Islam (c) Worse than infidels (kafir) (d) Non-Muslims (e) Not as good as Sunni Muslims (f) Muslims as respectable as Sunni Muslims

4. Do you consider Shias:

(a) Enemies of the Sahaba (companions of the Prophet) and Wajib-ul-Qatl (must be killed) (b) a Jewish (Sabai) conspiracy against Islam (c) Worse than infdels (kafir) (d) Non-Muslims (e) Muslims but not as good as Sunnis (f) Muslims as respectable as Sunni Muslims

5. Do you consider Sunni Sufis / Barelvis:

(a) grave worshippers (b) polytheists / mushrik (c) misguided (gumrah) (d) biddati (bad innovators in religion) (e) Non-Muslims (f) Muslims but not as good as Salafis and Deobandis (g) Muslims as respectable as other Sunni Muslims

6. Do you know the difference between Sunnis and Shias:

(a) Yes (b) No

7. Do you know the difference between Sunni Sufis/Barelvis, Deobandis and Salafis?

(a) Yes (b) No

8. Do you consider the Muharram rituals of Shias:

(a) A bad Biddat (a bad innovation in religion) (b) Not permissible in Islam (c) A law and order problem (d) a traffic management problem (e) an unnecessary display of power by Shias (f) disgrace to Islam (g) a respectable religious tradition

9. Do you believe in intercession (Wasilah) to Allah through Imams from Prophet’s Ahl-e-Bait and other holy Saints (Aulia-Allah)?

(a) No, it is shirk (polytheism) (b) No, but don’t mind. (c) Yes

10. Do you consider visiting of shrines:

(a) shirk (polytheism) (b) a bad innovation/deviation in Islam (c) Not permissible in Islam (d) a respectable religious tradition

11. Do you consider Deobandi and Salafi Wahhabis’ attacks on Pakistani civilians and army soldiers:

(a) Purely Islamic as a part of Jihad (b) A legitimate reaction to pro-USA policies of Pakistan army and government (c) Illegitimate act of violence (d) Not permissible in Islam

12. Do you consider religion:

(a) most important thing in life (b) important (c) quite relaxed about religion (d) a private affair (e) don’t practice religion at all

13. Do you consider:

(a) Karbala as a war between two princes Yazid and Hussain (b) Both Yazid and Hussain on the right path (c) Hussain was killed by Shias, not by Yazid (d) Karbala and Shias a Jewish conspiracy against Islam (e) Hussain was on right path, Yazid was wrong. (f) Not sure

14. Do you equally mourn Shia genocide in Pakistan and Muslim massacre in Burma (Myanmar) and expressly state the identity of the persecuted groups and the persecutor:

(a) Yes (b) No

15. Do you consider secularism:

(a) negation of religion (la-deeniat) (b) a western concept not suitable for Muslims (c) atheism and opposition to God (d) tolerance of different religions and sects (e) separation of religion and state

16. Do you consider democracy:

(a) a western concept not suitable for Muslim countries (b) a great system of government (c) a flawed system

17. Do you consider Khilafat (Caliphate):

(a) the only solution to problems facing Muslims of the world (b) an old system not suitable in modern times

18. In your view, Islam’s dominance over entire world:

(a) should be a goal of all Muslims (b) there is no need for dominance over others, all faiths are equally respectable

19. Do you think saying Ya Rasulullah or Ya Ali is:

(a) shirk (polytheism) (b) not permissible in Islam (c) Islamic (d) not sure (e) don’t care

20. Have you ever offered prayer behind a Shia prayer leader (Imam):

(a) never, and will never do so (b) yes, quite often (c) yes, very rarely (d) never, but don’t mind

21. In your view:

(a) Pakistani state should be declared as secular one (b) Pakistan should delete “Islamic” from its official name (c) There should be no mention of religion in passport and national identity documents (d) none of the above

22. In your view:

(a) Pakistan should implement full Islamic sharia system (b) Only good Muslims should be allowed to be elected to Pakistan’s parliament and important governmental posts (c) None of the above

23. In your view:

(a) Pakistan army should not create or support non-state Jihadi group (b) Pakistan needs Jihadis to liberate Kashmir and Afghanistan (c) Pakistan army should cut down all connections with non-state actors including Jihadis

24. In your view:

(a). State is not responsible for declaring someone Muslim or non Muslim. (b) State must legislate on who is kafir and who is not

25. In your view:

(a) All Muslims belong to same Ummah (b) Pakistan is a fort of Islam (c) Pakistan ka matlab kia – la ilaha illallah (d) none of the above

26. In your view:

(a) Madrassa should be in state control (b) Madrassa should not be in state control (c) Madrassa are not a major source of terror (d) Madrassas are spreading sectarian hatred

27. In your view:

(a) Deobandi fanatics of Taliban and Sipah-e-Sahaba (ASWJ) are responsible for most terrorist activities in Pakistan (b) No Muslim is behind terrorist activities in Pakistan. (c) Terrorists are operatives and agents of Blackwater, RAW, CIA etc

28. In your view:

(a) Majority of drone attack victims are innocent civilians (b) Majority of drone victims are terrorists (c) Drone attacks are a reaction of cross-border terrorist activities in Afghanistan from Pakistan’s tribal areas (d) Those who support drone attacks are enemies of Islam

29. In your view those who support democracy are:

(a) Enemies of Islam (b) Ignorant people (c) Kafir (non-Muslims) (d) Good Muslims

30. In you view:

(a) It is not permissible to listen to entertaining music in Islam (b) Music is the diet of soul

31. In your view:

(a) Pictures and TV are not allowed in Islam (b) Pictures and TV are permissible in Islam

32. In your view:

(a) Zionism is an international conspiracy against Muslims (b) State of Israel does not have a right to exist (c) Israel and Palestine can co-exist peacefully (d) Violence by Israel and Hamas is equally condemnable.

33. In your view:

(a) Jews and Christians are worst enemies of Islam (b) Jews and Christians are as respectable as Muslims (c) All religions are equally respectable. (d) Islam is the best religion, all others should either convert or give Jazya (tax) to Muslims

34. In your view:

(a) Hindus are enemies of Islam and Pakistan (b) Jihad in Kashmir is a religious duty on all Muslims (c) Hindus are as respectable as Muslims. (d) Jihad in Kashmir by non-State actors is illegal and un-Islamic.

35. Do you prefer:

(a) Sala instead of Namaz (b) Allah Hafiz instead of Khuda Hafiz (c) Saudi style hijab instead of Pakistani style dupatta or chadar (d) Ramadan instead of Ramzan (e) none of the above

36. Do you feel satisfaction or pleasure when Al Qaeda or other groups attack Americans, Europeans and other Western targets?

(a) Yes (b) No (c) Not sure

37. Do you regularly watch the following TV channels:

(a) Al Jazeera (b) Al Arabiya (c) Press TV (d) Peace TV (e) Islam Channel (f) Iqraa TV (g) Other Deobandi or Salafi channels

38. Do you update your Facebook or Twitter status with pictures and comments in support of Palestinians while remaining mostly silent about massacres of Sunni Sufis, Shias and Christians taking place at the hands of Salafi and Deobandi terrorists in Pakistan, Iraq, Syria?

(a) Yes  (b) No

 

 

 

 

 

Note: This post contains pictures of 5 Pakistani or Pakistan-origin educated terrorists.

  1. Faisal Shahzad (Pakistani American – Times Square car bombing)
  2. Ajmal Kassab (Pakistani – Mumbai attacks)
  3. Adnan Rashid (Pakistani – ex PAF, attack on Gen Musharraf)
  4. Mohammad Siddique Khan (Pakistani British, 7/7 attacks in London)
  5. Rashid Rauf (Pakistani British – 2006 transatlantic aircraft plot by Al Qaeda)

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  • You should have added some scoring mechanism and threshold, by which one can judge himself 🙂

  • I like the content very much but the presentation is not so impressive. How can I check the score? And what would that indicate?

    Thank you for the effort.

  • Silly post. There is huge criticism on Twitter against this post which is nothing but hatred against Muslims and respected Muslim scholars (Dr. Zakir Naik, Dr. Farhat Hashmi etc).

    Meera Ghani ‏@MeeraGhani
    Have the LUBP folks seriously lost it? A checklist for becoming a terrorist???? http://bit.ly/Pt5gbc

    H.A.S ‏@hoshearpuri
    @MeeraGhani these idiots never had it such loaded questions with answers that place you at opposite ends of the spectrum #LUBPfail

    H.A.S ‏@hoshearpuri
    idiots on the loose RT “@MeeraGhani: Have the LUBP folks seriously lost it? A checklist for becoming a terrorist???? http://bit.ly/Pt5gbc

    https://twitter.com/hoshearpuri/status/237819054524596224

  • Enemies of Pakistan and Islam are promoting this post:

    Tarek Fatah ‏@TarekFatah
    How likely is it that a Muslim would turn into a fanatic or terrorist? A Pakistani checklist.

    Mahesh Dutt ‏@smilingmerchant
    RT @TarekFatah: How likely is it that a Muslim would turn into a fanatic or terrorist? A Pakistani checklist.

    Pir Zubair Shah ‏@pirroshan
    Checklist: How likely are you to become a fanatic or terrorist? http://shar.es/7WJXK via @sharethis

    Shahnaz ‏@iShahnaz
    Absolute nonsense of a write up. “@TarekFatah: How likely is it that a Muslim would turn into a fanatic or terrorist? http://shar.es/7WwFB

  • This was much needed. I would like to see the percentage of Pakistan’s Sunni Muslims which fits the criterion laid out here.

    This need to be published in the mainstream press.

  • Good to see that those folks who noisily oppose drone attacks but remain silent on excesses against Balochs, Shias, Ahmedis are criticizing this post. No surprise here.

  • Azad
    پاکستان میں سنی مسلم اکثریت کو سنی بر یلوی، دیوبندی اور وہابی کا فرق نہیں پتہ ‎http://criticalppp.com/archives/224278‏

  • And in the meantime many Saudis go to Thailand on holidays. (I suppose the readers know what they do there)…

  • Very interesting and based on ground facts. Slowly and gradually KSA is again dreaming to rule the Islamic world. At the time of King Faisal an attempt was made to declare him Amir-ul-Momineen for the Muslim Ummah in 1974. Mr Z A Bhutto facilitated all. Even Ahmadies were pushed out of Islam to fulfill this dream of King Faisal. However as it is said, “man proposes and God disposes”. To be Amirul Momineen was murdered by his own relative and biggest facilitator, Mr Bhutto was hanged by his favourite COAS. Biggest hurdle against the wishes of King Saudi Arabia is the Khilafat of Ahmadiyya Muslim Community which as per their claim is the true representation of Muslim Ummah. As per Ahmadiyya Musim Community its founder is Imam Mehdi, Messiah and subordinate prophet as prophesied by Hadrat Muhammd (pbuh). Community has already Khilafat system and 5th successor is the current supreme head of the community. Saudi Arabia is all out to curb the Ahamdiyya Community. Instead resorting to decent and logical way Saudia has resorted to ugly way of extremest and terrorism. Very rightly pointed out spread of Wahhabi’s is the only way left to fulfill the ill designs of Saudi Arabia. Pakistan and Indonesia being the largest Muslim Counties have already fallen prey and seemingly Saudi Arabia is getting lot success. Along with Ahamdiyya, elimination war against Shia has also been launched by Saudia with the help of Pakistan and Indonesia. USA, Europe and other big powers of the world are very happy to see all this as it is weakening the Islam. An other bad luck is, rationality, logic and sense is fast evaporating from Muslim Ummah. Instead of analysing the facts most of the Ummah has started following the Saudia blindly. All this is going to result in panic, chaos and ultimately bis loss to Muslim Ummah. In such circumstance one can only pray to Almighty to give wisdom to all the Muslims who are referred as the followers of the greatest prophet Muhammad (pbuh.

  • how dumbb .. pls 1st do ur research if ajmal kasab was really a pakistani. just bcuz india says that he is pakistani so u r agreeing to it. just watch the video in which ajmal kasab is been interviewed by police while he is in hospital.

  • @Rafiq. Why hesitent tell clearly what Saudi do in Tahiland? Should be exposed and Ummah should see the actual face of Saudis.

  • A very bold move by LUBP to publish this article. I dont want to judge it. But i do hope someone will make some positive use of this.

  • Loved the ending! Mr Nishapuri at his best, as usual. And I agree with Sadiq Khoja. Needs a scoring mechanism.

    Don’t know why some Islamists were offended. I am a Zakir Naik listener. I thought the questions and the suggested answers were very appropriate.

  • Sometimes I think how does Nishapuri gives so much time to this Blog?

    Marvellous thought

    I have no problem with Hindus, Christians or Jews.

    Zionists are not Jews and even i have seen in the UK, how much hatred the Orthodox Jews have against Zionists

    Brother Rafiks comments are really interesting

  • Interesting post. Mind you, though, that Shias are also not without their own little element of fanaticism and intolerance. The comment that Ahmadiyya community is the biggest threat to Saudi aspiration of becoming Ameer ul Momineen is both pathetic and laughable. Other muslim sects, more powerful, organised and numerous than Ahmedis, have their own parallel systems of leadership e.g., Ismailis, Dawoodi Bohras, Sulemani Bohras, Asna-ashari Shias etc., Another, often overlooked aspect of the Ahmedi system of beliefs is that their jurisprudence and social contract is almost entirely Salafi, and their civil law is Hanafi. My observation is that all religious people, especially muslims, regardless of their sectarian background, tend to be intolerant – an ideal precondition for fanaticism..

  • is this article is not a hate speech against some sects of Islam? this article shows the hypocrisy of so called liberals very clearly.

  • Awesome piece. This sarmad guy above commenting, buddy I think Ur picture will defiantly be next to the 5 already there.
    Can’t u see we have screwed up our great religion and our beautiful country just by these divides.

    Remember the divide and rule strategy. Huh who needs the brits hum haina

  • That is quite funny; these secular fanatics don’t even know the definition of terrorism because is doesn’t exist in any international or Pakistani law and yet they scream about terrorism all the time.

  • Excellent article. Agree with other readers that the questions should have score mechanism.

  • thanks for the thought provoking information about the ongoing KSA sponsered activities in pakistan, i would like to add our esteblishment is working of this KSA agenda and and we the moderate sunni people we have no such support to stop the matter and in karachi they have open school-cum madrasa, in the name of rozatulla atfaal through this system they hv converested thousands of suniis into hardline deobandis’, the on going tough life in urban araes has made their job more easiy for them to prey the young people, even some people from Bangaladish shared with me during my visit to KSA and UAE, they share in pakistan these hardlines made people from other as son and registred them with NADRA and issued card passport than they satyd there . latter visit their home country with pakistani passport to meet their parnts, this is the level of cooperation in pakistani agncies with hardliners in pakistan ???

  • Role and emmbitions of KSA has put the islam on fire all the muslims should try to understand why they are doing this against the unity of islam in around the world.
    its very sad time despite to preach islam to non muslims they made us busy in declaring each others as kafir in our own lands, we are limited to our boundries now due to the uneducated blind followship of the general public and donations from the wealthy countries, even govts are not working against these groups , i saw pakistan the only country where is no law actaually exists , just in papers and courts,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,lawlessnedd is darkness?

  • I wonder if this can be distributed after Friday prayers. Would make an.interesting analysis. Great piece. I simply loved the way there are no loop holes for our jeans clad , West hating bigots to escape from. No wonder there are so many frustrated negative comments.

  • They came into the room one by one, heads bowed, wrists crossed in front of them as if they were used to wearing handcuffs. In one of Syria’s most feared military prisons, they told their extraordinary story of helping the armed opponents of Bashar al-Assad’s regime. One was French-Algerian, a small, stooped man in his forties with a long beard; another Turkish, with what looked like a black eye, who spoke of his training at a Taliban camp on the Afghan-Pakistan border. A Syrian prisoner described helping two suicide bombers set off a bloody explosion in central Damascus, while a mufti spoke of his vain efforts to unite the warring factions against the Syrian government.

    Given the unprecedented nature of our access to the high-security Syrian prison, our meetings with the four men – their jailers had other inmates for us to interview – were a chilling, sobering experience. Two gave unmistakable hints of brutal treatment after their first arrest. It took 10 minutes to persuade the prison’s military governor – a grey-haired, middle-aged general in military fatigues – and his shirt-sleeved intelligence officer to leave the room during our conversations. Incredibly, they abandoned their office so that we could speak alone to their captives. We refused later requests by the Syrian authorities for access to our tapes of the interviews.

    Two of the men spoke of their recruitment by Islamist preachers, another of how Arab satellite channels had persuaded him to travel to Syria to make jihad. These were stories that the Syrian authorities obviously wanted us to hear, but the prisoners – who must have given their interrogators the same accounts – were clearly anxious to talk to us, if only to meet Westerners and alert us to their presence after months in captivity. The French-Algerian wolfed down a box of chicken and chips we gave him. One of the Syrians admitted he was kept in constant solitary confinement. We promised all four that we would give their names and details to the International Red Cross.

    Mohamed Amin Ali al-Abdullah was a 26-year-old fourth-year medical student from the northern Syrian city of Deir el-Zour. The son of a “simple” farming family in Latakia, he sat in the governor’s brown leather chair in a neat striped blue shirt and trousers – given to him, he said, by the authorities – and told us he had encountered “psychological problems” in his second year. He twice broke down in tears while he spoke. He said he had followed medical advice as a student but also accepted psychological help from a “sheikh” who suggested he read specific texts from the Koran.

    “This was a kind of entrance to my personality and from time to time the second man gave me disks about the Salafist cause, mostly of speeches by Saudi sheikhs such as Ibn Baz and Ibn Ottaimin. Later, he gave me videos that rejected all other sects in Islam, attacking the Sufis, attacking the Shia.” The “sheikh” was imprisoned for a year but later joined Mohamed as a roommate in Damascus. “Then he used to show me videos of operations by jihadi people against Nato and the Americans in Afghanistan.”

    When the uprising began in Syria last year, Mohamed said, he was advised by the “sheikh” and two other men to participate in anti-regime demonstrations. “When Friday prayers were over, one of us would stand in the middle, among the crowd, to shout about injustice and the bad situation; the other four would go to the corners and shout ‘Allahu Akbar’ [God is great] to encourage the crowd to do the same.”

    Around this time, Mohamed said, he was introduced to a Salafist called “Al-Hajer” who asked him to help in his movement’s “medical and logistic support – to hide men wanted by the authorities and to find safe houses”. Al-Hajer began frequenting Mohamed’s home, “and he offered me a kind of allegiance, where you shake hands with this man and tell him that you acknowledge him as a leader whom you will obey, and will follow jihad and will not question him”. Al-Hajer brought strangers to Mohamed’s home.

    “They took me into their circle. I left my mind ‘outside’ at this period and then I recognised that this group was al-Qa’ida. On 10 April this year, one of these people asked me to go with him in a car. I went to a place where I saw cylinders 2.5m high, with cases to fill them up with explosives. There were about 10 people there. I don’t know why they asked me there – maybe to drag me into involvement. There was a Palestinian and a Jordanian who were to be suicide bombers and three Iraqi citizens. We left in a car in front of the two bombers. I don’t know where they were going to bomb, but 15 minutes after I arrived back home, I heard the explosion and two minutes later there was a much stronger explosion. The catastrophe came for me when I watched the television and saw the bomb had gone off in a crowded street in the Bazzaz district; there were houses crushed in the bombings and all the inhabitants [targeted] were middle class and poor people. I was so sorry.”

    Later, one of the Salafists asked Mohamed to visit his mother in hospital – because he was a doctor and the Salafist would be recognised – but the Syrian Mukhabarat intelligence service was waiting for him. “I said very frankly to them: ‘I am happy to be arrested – better than to get involved in such a group or have a role in wasting more blood.’ I don’t know how I got involved with these people. I put myself in a kind of ‘recycle bin’. Now I want to write a book and tell people what happened to me so that they should not do as I did. But I have not been given pencil and paper.”

    Mohamed saw his father, a schoolteacher, his mother and a sister two months ago. Was he mistreated, we asked him. “Just one day,” he said. “It was not torture.” We asked why there were two dark marks on one of his wrists. “I slipped in the toilet,” he said.

    Jamel Amer al-Khodoud, an Algerian whose wife and children live in Marseille and who served in the French army in the 1st Transport Regiment, was a more subdued man, his 48 years and his rather pathetic tale of a search for jihad – encouraged by al-Jazeera’s coverage of Muslim suffering in Syria, he said – leaving him a somewhat disillusioned man. Born in Blida, he had emigrated to France, but though a fluent French speaker, he found only a life of odd jobs and unemployment, until, “after a long hesitation, I decided to go to Turkey and help the Syrian refugees”.

    He was, he said, a “moderate Salafist”, but in the Turkish refugee camps had met a Libyan sheikh, many Tunisians and a Yemeni imam “who gave me lessons in jihad”. He crossed the Syrian border with a shotgun, and with other men had attacked military checkpoints and slept rough in abandoned houses and a mosque in the mountains above Latakia. Trained on French weapons, he had never before fired a Kalashnikov – he was allowed to fire three bullets at a stone for target practice, he said – but after several miserable weeks of discovering that a jihad in Syria was not for him, he resolved to walk back to Turkey and return to France. “What I saw on television I didn’t see in Syria.”

    Captured by suspicious villagers, he was taken to a city (probably Aleppo) and then by helicopter to Damascus. Why didn’t he choose Palestine rather than Syria for his jihad, we asked. “A Palestinian friend told me his people needed money more than men,” he replied. “Besides, that is a difficult border to cross.” When I asked him if he had been treated badly in captivity, he replied: “Thank God, I am well.” To the same question, he repeated the same answer.

    A Syrian imam – of the Khadija al-Khobra mosque in Damascus – with a lean, dark face, told us of his meetings this year with four Syrian “militant groups” in the city which had different nationalist and religious aims, of how he tried to unite them, but discovered that they were thieves, killers and rapists rather than jihadis. Or so Sheikh Ahmed Ghalibo said. Sprinkling the names of these men throughout his conversation, the sheikh said he had been appalled at how the groups had liquidated all who disagreed with them, merely on suspicion, “cutting the bodies up, decapitating them and throwing them in sewage”. He said he had witnessed seven such murders; indeed, the disposal of corpses in sewage has been a common occurrence in Damascus.

    Knowing that he was a mufti at the al-Khobra mosque and apparently aware that he had met the four extremist leaders, the Syrian security police arrested Ahmed Ghalibo on 15 April this year. He told us he had made a full confession because “these militants are not a ‘Free Army'”, insisted he had received “very good treatment” from his interrogators, condemned the Emir of Qatar for stirring revolution in Syria, and said he believed he would be released “because I have repented”.

    Cuma Öztürk comes from the south-eastern Turkish city of Gaziantep, and crossed into Syria after months of training, he said, in a Taliban camp on the Afghan-Pakistan border. He could not speak Pashtu – or Arabic – but had left behind his pregnant wife Mayuda and their three-year old daughter in Gaziantep to travel to Damascus. He spoke only vaguely of jihad but said he had been asked to set up a “smuggling” trail from Turkey to the Syrian capital which would also involve moving men across the border. He was arrested when he visited Aleppo for his mother-in-law’s funeral. “I regret all that happened to me,” he said mournfully; he was receiving good treatment “now”. He asked us to let the Turkish authorities know of his presence in the prison.

    When our four and a half hours of interviews were over, we appealed to the Syrian prison governor to give his inmates greater access to their families, a request which his tired smile suggested might be outside his remit. We also asked for a pen and paper for Mohamed al-Abdullah and we spoke – however fruitlessly – of the need for international law to be applied to those in the prison. The inmates shook hands with the governor in friendly fashion, although I noticed that little love seemed lost between them and the shirt-sleeved intelligence man. Each prisoner returned to his cell as he had arrived at the governor’s office – with his head bowed and his eyes on the floor.

    Robert Fisk: Syria’s road from jihad to prison
    For the first time, a Western journalist has been granted access to Assad’s military prisoners

    http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-syrias-road-from-jihad-to-prison-8100749.html

  • It would be so simple of people stopped being so dumb about religion in general – Why not spend effort educating oneself or helping others?
    All religions suck and provide a way for power maniacs like swamis and mullahs to make dumb people execute whatever mad plans they have.
    If India and Pakistan really implemented secular policies properly, there would be so much saving in defence budget, so much trade, and peace. After all we come from the same ancestors and have some of the smartest people in the world.
    After all who the hell cares whether you say Ya Allah or Jai Ram inside your place of worship? Both are equally pointless if you have no empathy and tolerance.

    Just stop forcing others to listen to it and beating them for disagreeing.

    If Ram,Allah and Jesus existed and came down today from the heavens, first Allah would destroy all intolerant Muslims and Ram would cut down all the Hindu fanatics. Hopefully the christians wont re-crucify Jesus.

    All dumbness – we live in 2012 and are still behaving like people from 10000 years ago.

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