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Another Leghari shaking the system? – by Amjad Rashid


Editor’s Note: Personally I don’t agree with some of the ‘facts’ presented in this article. The LUBP has in principle supported Dr. Javed Leghari’s position on fake degree scandal.  Dr Laghari is the same man who was appointed by Shaheed BB to perform his duties in Szabist as a head of the institute. It is known that Dr Laghari asked BB Shaheed that he’ll not tolerate any political interference in the institute and BB Shaheed had accepted his request as it was in favor of Szabist. Later he was nominated as a senator by the PPP and then appointed as Chairman of HEC. In the past we have criticized N-League and other tanga parties on fake degrees; therefore we must not criticize Dr. Javed Laghari if he goes against the fake degree holders of PPP. To the best of our knowledge, he is performing his duties honestly. The issue of Faryal Talpur’s degree which is mentioned by Amjad Rashid in the following article ‘Another Laghari shaking the system’ is now resolved and she got clean chit from Karachi University’s VC on her degree. We want to remind the author and our readers that the LUBP is an independent platform, not a mouthpiece of PPP. We are however publishing this article to express our respect for free speech. (Farhad Jarral)

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Once there was a golden time in Pakistan when a democratic government was ruling the state. All the distresses and despairs of the poor public of Pakistan was becoming the part of history. Almost 3 years were passed after the wheel of progress started to revolve rapidly. Pakistan was at its peak economically and definitely Pakistan was in its most strong political stability at that time.

The daughter of the East, the daughter of Pakistan, the daughter of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto was leading Pakistan towards new horizons, when at once; a Laghari destroyed the whole system. Because of that Laghari, Pakistan faced 12 years of political instability and 9 years dictatorship.

Now, when the new born democracy is trying to make vast its roots in the bloody soil of Pakistani politics again, it is facing great storms from its birth day by day. Establishment, which is always against PPP, changes its names and faces like Imran Khan, Munawar Hassan, Ifikhar Chaudhary, Khawaja Sharif etc…, but the mission is only to demolish democracy from Pakistan.

Now, after 12 years a new Laghari is born to destroy our new democratic system. The new Laghari is using the stand of HEC, again a new name and face but having certainly the same mission as written earlier in this article.

It is a disease trying to get national & international fame in a single night. This disease is spreading rapidly among the chairmen & heads of different departments and institutions in Pakistan. Our new born Laghari is also the victim of this disease and he showed it fully in media in previous days.

Mr. Laghari is tending to be a new state icon in Pakistan. We are exploring new & new pillars of state recent days which we never heard before. Mr. Laghari is surely tending to make himself as 5th, 6th or may be 7th (I don’t know the exact calculation figure) pillar of the state of Pakistan but it is his mere imagination.

What is HEC? Certainly Higher Education Commission. It means it is the commission on higher education in Pakistan, i.e., degree education. But what a joke is that the Matriculation certificates (matriculation is a certificate in secondary education not a degree, hence not under HEC) are being declared fake and corrupt by HEC.

HEC has replaced University Grants Commission (UGC) recently to promote higher education in Pakistan which is the basic purpose of HEC. But it seems that HEC has forgotten its basic purpose and doing some biased work for the sake of establishment in checking the degrees of the politicians only.

It is very strange that only politicians are being victimized by HEC, but doctors, lawyers, engineers, managers in different departments and even judges having fake degrees are not even disturbed!

Although HEC has authority to check the degrees but it has not authority to give biased and controversial statements in media against anyone. But Mr. Laghari is appearing to be indulged in disease of getting political fame in Pakistan in only a few days by giving such statements in media against government & politicians.

Specially, Mr. Laghari’s tussle with Latif Khosa has become very popular in media which has given more than 4 stars to Mr. Laghari (an Urdu probe having 4 stars) and his fame.

Media has sidelined the true stand of Latif Khosa and has started promoting new establishment icon Mr. Laghari after the declining fame of Iftikhar Chaudhary.

Many friends are saying that Mr. Laghari is surely trying to become 2nd Laghari of the history and is playing in the hands of establishment. Some friends are further saying that Mr. Laghari is being offered high amounts of dollars by Anti PPP forces.

I think that these friends are almost saying true because targeting Faryal Talpur on no basic and having no solid facts has shown that Mr. Laghari is surely in the hands of establishment. It is the goodwill of Faryal Talpur that she didn’t claim in court after such inferior deed by HEC.

HEC & specially Mr. Laghari should do their work by keeping themselves in their boundaries and should not cross limits because PPP Government is determined to prevent the democratic system from any type of Lagharis.

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  • dont potray Javed Leghari as a Caliph. Farooq Ahmed Khan Leghari was also appointed by BB. Than wil u say for sure that he had performed his duties honestly.

  • HEC wants to become the 5th pillar of the State….
    i wonder
    LICES also b checked before the parliment session begins. DR Javed Legahri himself check one by one parlimenterain’s head for lice. Parlimentarians with Long Hair and Nails will also be disqualified.

  • Asad Ali Qureshi Akela zardari sub pe bhari.
    3 hours ago via Facebook Mobile · Like ·

    Syed Ahsan Abbas Rizvi HEC Trying to become the 5th so called pillar of the state to demolish democracy in Pakistaan.

    Leghariyoo k Leghaar say Allah Pakistan ko mehfooz rakhay.
    Nice effort amjad .. expose these Munafiq’s like leghariiis
    3 hours ago · Like ·

    Muhammad Amjad Rashid yeah asal akela zardari sub pe bhari…….
    3 hours ago · Like ·

    Muhammad Amjad Rashid thanks Ahsan bhai
    3 hours ago · Like ·

    Asad Ali Qureshi ‎@ahsan
    HEC ko qaboo kiya jyga jald. Wrna pml n frgh ho jyge.
    3 hours ago via Facebook Mobile · Like ·

    Muhammad Amjad Rashid inshallah we shall keep on exposing these munafiqs
    3 hours ago · Like ·

    Muhammad Amjad Rashid lagta to yahi hai k waqai PML N farigh ho gee yaa HEC apna tariqa e kaar badlay gaa
    3 hours ago · Like ·

    Syed Ahsan Abbas Rizvi ‎@ “Jis Par Ehsaan karoo us k shar say bachooo” HAzrat Ali A.s

    Legharii Ehsaan Faramosh Qom hai…
    3 hours ago · Like ·

    Muhammad Amjad Rashid pahlay ye Mughals k ghulam thay phir angraizo k ghulam ab pakistani establishment k ghulam
    3 hours ago · Like ·

    Aamir Mughal Exposing a wrong act is not “shaking the system” – a wrong [Fake Degree] is a wrong no matter what. If Judiciary is being taken to task for their Intellectual Dishonesty then Parliamentarians should also be taken to task.
    3 hours ago · Like ·

    Muhammad Amjad Rashid everybody should be taken to task not only parliamentarians !!!!

    the fake degrees of judges in high & supreme courts should also be checked
    3 hours ago · Like ·

    Muhammad Amjad Rashid ‎& system will be automatically shaked if majority of MNA & MPA will have to go from assemblies which are elected by public
    3 hours ago · Like ·

    Aamir Mughal That’s what I said in my above line.
    3 hours ago · Like ·

    Muhammad Amjad Rashid yeah Amir i understand
    3 hours ago · Like ·

    Aamir Mughal Therefore the politicians should pick eligible and literate [there is no dearth of such members in political parties]
    3 hours ago · Like ·

    Syed Ahsan Abbas Rizvi ‎@ Amir Mughal
    I m Afraid that Hec also checks long hair and nails of the parlimentarians. after fake degree they can also demand about the attandence registers of da school in which parlimentarian’s read.

    Visa Consultant 20,000 main HEC ki 2 no stamp kartay hain degrees.
    Is haqeeqat say aankhain chura saka hai koi?
    3 hours ago · Like · 1 person ·

    Aamir Mughal Dear Rizvi Sahab,

    There is no justification for a wrong act.
    3 hours ago · Like ·

    Aamir Mughal Hec also checks long hair and nails of the parlimentarians. after fake degree they can also demand about the attandence registers [Syed Ahsan Abbas Rizvi]
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    Is this how you defend a wrong act? Very Poor defence.
    3 hours ago · Like ·

    Syed Ahsan Abbas Rizvi ‎@ Amir sahab

    :)… Visa Consultant 20,000 main HEC ki 2 no stamp kartay hain degrees.
    Kya aap is haqeeqat ko jhutla saktay hain.. Ya HEC main aap k mutabiq koi 5th Khalifa bhet gya hai aa k.. ?
    3 hours ago · Like ·

    Syed Ahsan Abbas Rizvi Mashkook Degrees kya hoti hain aamir sahab..
    Faisal Abdi and Feryaal talpur ko nishana kuyn banaya gya hai yeh aap b acchi tarah jantay hain…! Fake degree hamara pb nahi hai..PML N ka prb hai … we are not afraid of it but the thiong is this k jis HEC k apnay officers ki degrees jali hain.. and jo Visa Consutants ko degrees stamp kar k detay hain just for some RS. Unhay Iftikhar chd k badd koi Ganga nahaya kahay to ye ghalat hai…!
    2 hours ago · Like ·

    Syed Ahsan Abbas Rizvi HEC press release says that LICES also b checked before the parliment session begins. DR Javed Legahri himself check one by one parlimenterain’s head for lice.
    Parlimentarians with Long Hair and Nails will also disqualified.
    2 hours ago · Like ·

    Aamir Mughal Ya HEC main aap k mutabiq koi 5th Khalifa bhet gya hai aa k.. ?
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    Who appointed Javed Laghari?
    2 hours ago · Like · 1 person ·

    Syed Ahsan Abbas Rizvi At least Mee Nottt 🙂
    2 hours ago · Like ·

    Syed Ahsan Abbas Rizvi By The way Khalifa Appoint nahi hota.. Khud Sakhta ban jata hai..
    Aaap ki history par bari gehri nazar hai…. Meray kahyal main aap better jantay hun gay 🙂
    2 hours ago · Like ·

    Aamir Mughal Dear Rizvi Sahab,

    I know history and I dont want to ruin this discussion by bringing in History. If HEC have Officers with degree then why the government is not taking action???
    2 hours ago · Like ·

    Asad Ali Qureshi farishta koan h????????
    2 hours ago · Like ·

    Muhammad Amjad Rashid ‎@Amir Mughal

    sir! issue ye nahi k HEC q degrees check kar raha hai? mainay to khud apnay article main likhaa hai k HEC to authority hai ye check karnay kee magar HEC chairman media main hero q bun raha hai?
    about an hour ago · Like ·

    Muhammad Amjad Rashid ‎@Amir Mughal

    Aur ye checking next elections k liye honi chahiye thee naa k aap chaltay hue system ko breaks lagayain…….. 2 saal tak kahan soi hue thee HEC????

    kia ab 2 saal bad hi khayal aana thaa HEC ko?
    about an hour ago · Like ·

    Aamir Mughal Amjad Sahab,

    I was replying to this:

    “QUOTE”… See More
    about an hour ago · Like ·

    Aamir Mughal Amjad Sahab,

    Next Election or not, the issue is out in open and must be dealt with.
    about an hour ago · Like ·

    Amir Sayani i agree to title….
    about an hour ago · Like ·

    Muhammad Amjad Rashid thanks Amir sayani for liking the title
    about an hour ago · Like ·

    Muhammad Amjad Rashid aamir sahab!

    you are right that issue must be dealth with…. but with fairness not with biased mind
    about an hour ago · Like ·

    Aamir Mughal Amjad Sahab,

    Exactly that was my view in the all the posts above.
    about an hour ago · Like ·

    Muhammad Amjad Rashid ‎@ to every pakistani

    koi b search karay k Iftikhar Chaudhary ki Intermediate certificate kis college se lia gaya hai Quetta k? or kia wo college Quetta main exist kartaa hai? kia Akbar Bugti ki sifarish se nahi lia Iftikhar Ch. ne wo certificate????

    open question from me to all pakistanis!!!
    about an hour ago · Like ·

    Aamir Mughal CJ Ifti completed his Law degree from Sindh University.
    about an hour ago · Like ·

    Muhammad Amjad Rashid Sir i am not talking about law degree

    wo to unhon ne graduation k bad zahri baat hai complete kar lee ho gee magar main to un ki F.A certificate ki baat kar raha hoo jis ki base par unhon ne graduate phir law kia ……..
    about an hour ago · Like ·

  • the above are comments on this article on my facebook page!

    I am personally with the stand of Latif Khosah that chairman HEC Mr. Laghari is crossing his boundaries.

    B.B shaheed said that she will wave the flag of pakistan and PPP on the house of Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhary then we should do it because B.B said it.

    B.B said that Rao Sikander Iqbal is her brother then we should respect Rao saheb as PPP true leader because she was brother of B.B according to B.B shaheed herself and we should not notice that he made PPP Patriot then got in Muslim League Q. How contrast is it?

  • And we should not see that Javed Laghari was appointed by B.B or anyone! we should see that what he is doing in present? We should develop systems and departments & institutions not personalities.

  • جاوید لغاری اور جمہوریت
    اصناف: سندھ, پاکستان
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/urdu/2010/07/post_647.html
    حسن مجتییٰ | 2010-07-19 ،15:16

    ڈاکٹر جاوید لغاری وہ پاکستانی امریکی ہیں جو آجکل پاکستان میں ‘جمہوریت سب سے بہتر انتقام’ کا پھل چکھ رہے ہیں۔

    موجودہ حکومتی پارٹی کے کل تک سینیٹر اور حکومت کے منظور نظر ڈاکٹر جاوید لغاری سے پاکستان میں وہ سلوک ہوا جو وہاں وقت کی حکومتیں حزب مخالف یا سیاسی مخالفین سے تب کرتی ہیں جب انکے چل چلاؤ کا موسم قریب ہوتا ہے یا جب حکمران طاقت کے نشے اور بوکھلاہٹ میں ایسا اندھا ہاتھی بن جاتے ہیں جو کہ اپنے ہی لشکری روند کر رکھ دیتا ہے۔

    سیاسی انتقام پسندی کا سب سے زیادہ شکار رہنے والی اس کل کی حزب اختلاف اور آج کی حکومت نے انتقام پسندی میں فائین آرٹس یہ قائم کیا ہے کہ قومی سطح پر انتقام پسندی کی نمائش کے بجائے بلکل مقامی یعنی تحصیل اور ضلع سطح پر زبردست انتقام پسندی کی ہوئی ہے۔

    ڈاکٹر جاوید لغاری کے ساتھ بھی کچھ ایسا ہی ہوا ہے۔ انگریزی ‍ شاعر ولیم بلیک کی آنکھوں سے دنیا کو دیکھنے والے پاکستانی امریکی کو پتہ ہی نہیں تھا کہ تھانیدار کیا ہوتے ہیں۔

    ڈاکٹر جاوید لغاری امریکہ میں برسوں سے ایک تعلیم دان، بینظیر بھٹو کے میزبان اور ان کے قریب ترین لوگوں کے طور پہچـانے جاتے تھے۔ وہ بینظیر بھٹو اور انکی پارٹی کے ایک طرح سے امریکہ میں غیر سرکاری لابیسٹ رہے ہیں۔

    پیپلزپارٹی کی حکومت نے پہلے جاوید لغاری کو سینیٹر منتخب کروایا اور پھر ان سے ان کی نشست شوکت ترین کے لیے سندھ سے خالی کروا کر انہیں ہائر ایجوکیشن کمیشن (ہیک) کا چئيرمین بنا دیا۔ ہائر ایجوکیشن کمیشن کہ جہاں آجکل رن جاری ہے۔

    ڈاکٹر جاوید لغاری نے سینتیس اراکین پارلیمان کی جعلی ڈگریوں کو نظر انداز کرنے سے انکار کر دیا ہے۔ ان کی اس ‘نہ’ نے ان کے لیے اور ان کے اہل خانہ کے لیے مصائب و قید و بند کے دروازے کھول دیے ہیں۔ بلکل ایسے جیسے چوہدری ظہور الہی کو بھینسوں کی چوری میں، سندہ میں سابق صوبائي وزیر کوڑل شاہ کو چائے کی پتی چوری کرنے میں گرفتاری کیا گيا تھا۔

    اب جاوید لغاری کے ڈی سی او بھائی فاروق لغاری پر کرپشن کے یکے بعد دیگر مقدمے قائم کیے گئے ہیں۔ ایسا بھی نہیں کہ ڈی سی او فاروق لغاری فرشتہ ہے لیکن بقول شخصے شاید ڈی سی او فاروق لغاری پاکستان میں واحد کرپٹ شخص ہے! سولہ کروڑ لوگوں میں گاؤں بخشو لغاری کا لغاری ہی کیوں؟

  • it’s not like HEC undertook this task independently – if anyone should be blamed it’s Abid Sher Ali. In any case, how does that jusitfy the corruption charges suddenly put on Farooq Leghari? I agree with Aamir and Farhad, why should we justify such actions.

  • Conflicting Conspiracies in The News
    http://pakistanmediawatch.com/2010/07/21/conflicting-conspiracies-in-the-news/

    There appears to be a curious conflict of conspiracies in reports published by The News (Jang Group) on Wednesday regarding the HEC report submitted to the Education Ministry.

    Ansar Abbasi reports that there is a conspiracy to change the contents of the report, and that the Education Minister Sardar Assef Ahmad Ali has sent the report back to HEC for editing.

    Sources in the ministry confided to The News that the Education Minister Sardar Assef Ahmad Ali directed his secretary to ask the HEC chairman to withdraw the report and re-submit it with certain changes. The minister wanted the HEC chairman to delete the report’s portion mentioning the NA Committee on Education.

    Following the minister’s direction, these sources said, the secretary education asked HEC Chairman Javed Leghari to withdraw the report and exclude from it the statement that the report should be forwarded to the NA Committee on Education.

    But Sabir Shah writes in a different article that there is a conspiracy to bury the controversy by appointing a crony to cover it up.

    It has also been learnt from the reliable sources that after meeting with the HEC chairman, Prime Minister Gilani held a detailed meeting with the education minister and Secretary Education Imtiaz Qazi in which they finalised the strategy to put the issue of fake degrees under the carpet.

    According to the sources, the meeting remained focused on the ways to prolong and ultimately to do away with the issue of fake degrees of public representatives. However, Imtiaz Qazi denied having any knowledge about the meeting and the procedure to be followed in this regard. He also denied being present in the meeting. “I am not really aware about the whole issue. We are waiting for the in writing directives from the prime minister after which we would formulate our strategy,” he said.

    According to the sources, nominating a minister for reviewing the process means that a single person would be handling the issue according to his own desire. “He would be accountable to nobody and there would not be any check over the process,” he said. Talking to The News, the Education Ministry spokesperson said that since the HEC comes under Education Ministry, therefore it could not communicate directly to parliamentary body.”

    What makes these conflicting conspiracies especially interesting is that, according to Sabir Shah’s report, the report was not even delivered until late night.

    The officials of Education Ministry did not receive any report in this regard till late night.

    If the report was not delivered until late night, how did all of these people come up with so many conflicting conspiracies? And if there is some conspiracy, which is it?

    In yet another article in the same day’s newspaper, Tariq Butt reports that there is a conspiracy to declare runners up as winners.

    On the editorial page of the same newspaper, The News writes about a fourth conspiracy:

    Going by what Law, Justice and Parliamentary Affairs Minister Babar Awan has said in an interview he gave to this newspaper, what may happen next is that the government could seek to promulgate new legislation, though the minister was vague as to its content. He said that there had been contact with several political parties (and that there was ‘documentary proof’ of this) seeking to lay the matter to rest. Their motivation for this will almost certainly be to protect politicians in the future from the withering blast of the media, as well as perhaps tightening their own internal selection procedures and criteria to ensure that those selected to represent us are less obviously liars and fakers. Considering his statement objectively, it does appear that the fake degree issue has given a severe jolt to those politicians who are self-serving and happy to deceive their electorates – who probably expect to be deceived anyway.

    While it is disappointing that The News has such contempt for the people of Pakistan that it declares they “probably expect to be deceived anyway”, what is worse is that the editorial’s conspiracy theory contradicts what is reported elsewhere in the newspaper!

    According to a report by Dilshad Azeem, the coalition partners have “rejected in plain words” any suggestion that they have been meeting to craft a law to protect fraud.

    Muttahida Quami Movement (MQM), Awami National Party (ANP) and Jamiat-e-Ulema Islam (Fazl), the three parties providing the numbers for survival of the coalition government, confirmed that neither the government consulted them nor they had approached the key functionaries on the fake degrees issue.

    They dubbed the law minister’s assertion as totally out of context and against their respective stands, and said that those MPs, who gave wrong information about their respective education or any other matter, must be dealt in accordance with the law of the land.

    It appears that, with no reliable source of information, The News is simply publishing anything and everything with the hope that ’something sticks’. But this is not journalism, is only guessing and gossiping. Furthermore, it is impossible to not notice that every ‘guess’ published in the newspaper has a particular angle – the government is doing something wrong. Certainly no journalist should assume that everything is done without some discussion of how to make uncomfortable matters ‘go away’, but also no responsible journalist should assume that there is always some dark scheme at work.

    Whether or not someone thinks that the degree issue even matters, everyone deserves to have facts – not conspiracies. The web of conspiracies in The News has become so tangled that reading the newspaper one reader can come away with many different and conflicting versions of events. That’s not news reporting, it’s just gossip.

  • amjad sahib are you trying to suggest HEC chairman Senator Javed Leghari has declared degrees fake ,which were valid for some vested interest?
    Senator Laghari as a true democrat doesn’t tried hide from his responsibility of checking the degree of parliamentarian , according to order of Standing committee.
    how many government organization in Pakistan obey’s the order of standing committees ?
    i

  • i’m surprised how can someone think HEC chief is trying to derail democracy with toeing with establishment., according to author because he is leghari and his younger brother name is farooq leghari. kiya logic hai ? i’m sure someone will also have video /audio evidence of farooq leghari ,meeting with ISI chief. 😀

  • This is exactly what your foes want you to do: fight amongst yourselves for your own people. Dr. Javed Laghari is doing his job which is forced upon by a nadaan dost called Abid Sher Ali. While he is enjoying a stay in London, he is getting his friends in media to make the PPP supporters fight amongst themselves. This matter should never have been raised in the first place. Even if it has been, then it best be ignored.

  • @ Rabia & Hamza

    Every thing has many aspects. Taking only one face of the picture is absolutely wrong. I don’t have any sympathies with anyone specially but i know that Rehman Malik, Farooq H Naik & Lateef Khosa are the assests of the party and why HEC chairman is trying to be media hero by giving wrong statements again Lateef Khosa?

    Is it justified for HEC chairman to give political statements in media? And is it justified for HEC chairman to say that Lateef Khosa should remain in his limits while he is crossing his limits actually.

    Pakistan Peoples Party is not only consisted on LIBERALS. It is the party of every pakistani. It is the party of every class and every sect in Pakistan so we have our own stand and we shall always take our stand in PPP.

    Pakistan Peoples Party is our own party. My grand father was given MPA ticket by Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto in Arifwala and we have PPP in our blood.

  • @ Rabia

    I have never said that Farooq Laghari was involved in corruption as you gave comment on this. And by the way you said wrong as it shows that the 2nd government of B.B Shaheed at that time was involved in corruption.

    There was no corruption at that time. But it is the fact of history that only one person Mr. Laghari played in the hands of establishment and destroyed the whole system. PPP was in government in federal as well as Punjab, Sindh, NWFP and Balochistan at that time. It was certainly the best government PPP ever did.

  • @ AMir mughal

    B.B shaheed ko mashwarah diya thaa Multan or D.G khan k hundreds jiyalon nain k B.B aap farooq laghari ko president na banain B.B ne to kaha k wo to mera bhai bana hua hai magar logon ne kaha k Laghari wo qom hai jo pahlay mughals ki ghulam thee phir ranjeet singh ki ghulaam phir angraiz ki ghulaam

    or wohee kia laghari ne jo karnaa thaaa!!!!!!

  • @ Hamza

    i didn’t knew that Farooq Laghari is the name of younger brother of Javed Laghari but i am informed by your comment.

    Thanks for informing me otherwise i was totaly ignorant. [:D]

  • @ dear Amjad . I’m also a third generation jiyala . i know many jiyala will feel offended but I have to say what I feel . Asif Ali Zardari has proved a more democratic politician in power than great ZAB himself. i strongly feel the anger of PPP sympathizers against Dr leghari is on basis that his appointed as head of HEC was made because he was PPP activist . and we jiyalas wants him to remain as PPP activist as Head of HEC.
    by victimizing leghari’s younger brother PPP government itself destroy it past record of last 2 and half years of political tolerance. if we compare AAZ govt with any other previous govt of Pakistan you will find its record of victimization is fairly low.

  • @amjad i’m sorry if my comment suggested that you were supporting corruption charges against brother of dr leghari. btw, this name farooq leghari is quite confusing 🙂

  • Muhammad Amjad Rashid says: July 24, 2010 at 1:17 pm @ Rabia
    It was certainly the best government PPP ever did.
    ==================
    Wrong. Taliban were nurtured by Naseerullah Babar and Karachi was coloured with Blood – remember Extra Judicial Killing:)))

  • Muhammad Amjad Rashid says: – July 24, 2010 at 1:18 pm
    @ AMir mughal magar logon ne kaha k Laghari wo qom hai jo pahlay mughals ki ghulam thee phir ranjeet singh ki ghulaam phir angraiz ki ghulaam or wohee kia laghari ne jo karnaa thaaa!!!!!!
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    Generalizing the entire Laghari Community for the sin of one is not justified.

  • @ Rabia

    Real corruption was started in 1997 by the Nawaz Sharif’s 2nd term

    @ Amir Mughal

    1) Karachi was coloured by blood because of MQM not because of PPP and it was great work done by PPP in the lead of B.B shaheed at that time which was impossible & imagination for previous Mian Nawaz government so it is not the default of that time, it is the success of that time.

    2) yeah! I am generalizing Lagharis, but those Lagharis which are in authorities in different departments of the country and history is evident that these “SARDAR Lagharis” are always traitors. I am not talking about cast “Laghari” i am talking about “Sardaar sect of Lagharis”.

    (that’s why i didn’t mention it in my basic article).

    (And one thing Amir Mughal you seem to be acting against PPP in the lead of B.B shaheed specially Naseerullah Babar, the hero of Karachi! amazing ).

  • @ Amir Mughal

    And one thing must be kept in minds that Nasirullah Babar didn’t nurtured 2 no. talibans like Tehreek-e-Talibaan pakistan etc….

    He nurtured true Talibans and if he didn’t do it the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan were cutting all links and roots of pakistan from afghanistan and you know this as well, it is the fact of history. All the nation was happy on taliban’s success due to Naseerullah Babar’s policy which was in favor of pakistan at that time and every good leader and government keep changing its policies time by time. As PPP was a party of Comrades at one time (some people say me comrade) but now it is overshadowed by LIBERALS which were totally against PPP in 70s and 80s.

  • Now I ask question that

    1) Was the policy of Hazrat Ali (K.A.W) to compromise with Muawiayh in some wars specially in the war of Safeen to make lessen the bloodshed of muslims was wrong (example same for Naseerullah Babar’s policy for Taliban to make lessen bloodshed in Afghanistan and to give Afghanistan stability.)

    2) Was Sulah-e-Hudaibiyah of Hazrat Muhammad (S.A.W.W) with kafirs wrong policy?

    3) Was the pact between Muawiah & Imam Hassan (A.S) wrong according to liberal minded?

  • the people which criticized the plicies of Hazrat Ali (K.A.W) were declared “Khawarijies” by Hazrat Ali….. So criticizing the former policies of PPP specially the policies of B.B shaheed….. are not we kharijitees of PPP????????

    ???

    >??????

  • Muhammad Amjad Rashid says: – July 24, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    @ Amir Mughal – 1) Karachi was coloured by blood because of MQM not because of PPP

    MAM: How do you define Extra Judicial Killings? [Read Amnesty International Report of 1996 to open your eyes] If PPP was not responsible then why Zardari and other went to MQM Head Office in Karachi?

    2) yeah! I am generalizing Lagharis, but those Lagharis which are in authorities in different departments of the country and history is evident that these “SARDAR Lagharis” are always traitors. I am not talking about cast “Laghari” i am talking about “Sardaar sect of Lagharis”.

    MAM: Again Generalizing, specify and by the way which History?

    MAR: (And one thing Amir Mughal you seem to be acting against PPP in the lead of B.B shaheed specially Naseerullah Babar, the hero of Karachi! amazing ).

    MAM: Babar was, is and will be a Rascal of Highest Degree and PPP is not a Holy Scripture which cannot be violated.

    Muhammad Amjad Rashid says: July 24, 2010 at 5:21 pm @Amir Mughal – And one thing must be kept in minds that Nasirullah Babar didn’t nurtured

    MAM: Wrong again. Babar’s own admission is as under not only Taliban but the Earlier Afghan War Lords and Bhutto was in it too:

    Who were the pioneers of the anti-Daud Afghan resistance?

    These were Ustad Rabbani, Hikmatyar, Ahmad Shah Masood and a host of others who came to Pakistan after October 1973. DETAILS: Major General (Retd) Naseerullah Khan Babar, Scandals & Shenanigans http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2009/06/major-general-retd-naseerullah-khan.html

    Muhammad Amjad Rashid says: July 24, 2010 at 5:26 pm
    Now I ask question that 1) Was the policy of Hazrat Ali (K.A.W) to compromise with Muawiayh in some wars specially in the war of Safeen to make lessen the bloodshed of muslims was wrong (example same for Naseerullah Babar’s policy for Taliban to make lessen bloodshed in Afghanistan and to give Afghanistan stability.)

    MAM: Do not even compare Babar with those Lofty and Pious People [May Allah be pleased with them] they were decent against each other even during War [Ref: Nehjul Balagha by Sharif Razi and interpreted by Ibn Abi Al Hadeed]

    Muhammad Amjad Rashid says: July 24, 2010 at 5:30 pm
    the people which criticized the plicies of Hazrat Ali (K.A.W) were declared “Khawarijies” by Hazrat Ali…..

    MAM: Wrong again – Khawarij had declared that Ali, Uthman, Muawiya and Aisha [May Allah be pleased with all of them] are “Kaafir” [May Allah forgive me for even repeating this] {Ref: Tabari, Ibn Khaldun, Al Bidaya Wal Nihaya by Ibn Kathir and Kitab al Fisl al Mial wal Nihal by Ibn Hazm, Talbees-e-Iblees by Ibn Jawzi and Al Milal Wal Nihal by Sherestani]

  • You used the world “Rascal” for Nasirullah Babar and you said “Rascal of high degree”…… by the way! what are degrees of rascals? how they become high class rascals and low class rascals or even middle class?

    And Sir!

    I don’t want to give references about kharijitees but please read WIKIPEDIA NOTES about khawarijitees and also “Tareekh-e-Tibree”.

    Same thing is being done by us that we are declaring our own party heroes “rascals of high class”.

    (My point is enlightened by yourself Amir Mughal. I always respect you abilities and your knowledge on almost every topic But sir! sorry here you are musguided.)

  • WIKIPEDIA NOTES about khawarijitees
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    Quote Original Reference. Wikipedia is not the proper reference. Part Heroes my foot. Do you want me to quote Facts on Bhutto.

  • My point is enlightened by yourself Amir Mughal. I always respect you abilities and your knowledge on almost every topic But sir! sorry here you are musguided.)
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    Wrong again. I haven’t “enlightened” any of your point and the word is “Misguided”

  • Muhammad Amjad Rashid says:July 25, 2010 at 12:44 am Same thing is being done by us that we are declaring our own party heroes “rascals of high class”.
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    It could be your party and your heroes because “wrong acts” should not be supported. When there is something wrong then the History’s Record must be kept straight for a lasting lesson for our next Generation and if we wouldn’t do that then the History won’t forgive us. Let me cast the First Stone. Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat history.

    Achievement of Bhutto “The Senior” – Bhutto supported Military Operation [with political steps] in Former East Pakistan now Bangladesh. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xu4MTv5wgys&feature=related

    So what is wrong if Zia did the same in Sindh? Jinnah, Ayub, Tikka, and Musharraf did in Baluchistan????

    Read the names in the Research: The civilians of West Pakistan in general had the same thinking. Bhutto had claimed that the bastions of power of Pakistan were Punjab and Sindh. The civil service held the general idea that, “a taste of the ‘danda’ the big stick would cow down the Bengali babu”. (37) The civilian bureaucrats serving the regime, like Information Secretary Roedad Khan were advising the generals about ‘putting some fear of God in Bengalis and how to purify Bengali race and culture by Arabising the Bengali script. (38) The ruling elite was totally lost and the events were moving too fast for any of them to fully comprehend, let alone respond in any meaningful way. The rulers were now really suffering from delusions, unable to see beyond their boots. When Bengali soldiers, police officials, diplomats and airline pilots were defecting en masse, the members of the regime were re-assuring the Pakistani envoys (Secretary of National Security Council Major General Ghulam Omar, Information Secretary Roedad Khan and Foreign Secretary Sultan Muhammad met with Pakistani envoys in Tehran and Geneva) that everything was under control and that majority of Bengalis were with Pakistan. (39) This was being told when they could not get a single Bengali to work at Dacca radio station and in an ironic twist, Pakistani representative (Abu Saeed Chowdhry) attending a human right conference at Geneva had defected. They really thought that the world was blind. This general thought process was not limited to only senior level but was prevalent among junior officers and rank and file. WHY BANGLADESH WAS CREATED Dec 18, 2008 Thu 12:16 am http://www.chowk.com/ilogs/70192/47736

  • And you are putting “best internet encyclopedia” on your foot…….hahahahah….. amazing……….

    I think that you should open Holy Quran and read about “Masjid-e-Zaraar” which were Munafiqeen having the names of the muslims and so that kharijitees were in the era of Hazrat Ali (K.A.W) and by keeping facts on your foot you can’t deny the truth of the history.

  • and “Musguided” is the fault of my keyboard (sory! the button “i” often denies itself to be pressed haha).

    And yes the record of the history should be kept straight but then it is the part of history that Hazrat Muhammad (S.A.W.W) had not any degree for his prophet hood and there was no Javed Laghari or HEC at that time to authorise the prophet ship.

    So if the degrees are everything then…………………………..

    Degrees only give a man a paper while actual happiness is found in the welfare of the people and system not in breaking the system.

    BABA BULLAY SHAH:

    “Masjid dhaa day , Mandir dhaa day

    Dhaa day jo kuch v dhaindaa

    par kisi daa dil na dhaawain

    Rab dilaaan vich rahandaa”

    (Now It may be that Amir Mughal may criticize on “masjid dhaana” but this is not my personal quote this is Baba Bullhay shah’s quote so criticize him ofcourse.)

  • And one thing more!

    You have put wikipedia notes on your foot but please don’t put Tareekh-e-Tibree on your foot because it is a holy book in almost every sect of muslims (excluding Ahamdis which are not muslims).

  • Muhammad Amjad Rashid says: July 25, 2010 at 9:39 am
    You first called former minister “The highest degree Rascal” which is extremist liberalism.

    Muhammad Amjad Rashid says:July 25, 2010 at 12:44 am Same thing is being done by us that we are declaring our own party heroes “rascals of high class”.
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    Read what Bhutto did?

    ڈھاکہ یونیورسٹی کے بعد شاید سندھ یونیورسٹی ہی تھی جنکے اساتذہ، طالب علم اور پروفییسر حکومتی اداروں کی ’فہرست، پر تھے- ڈاکٹر غلام علی الانا، پرفیسر ارجں، نندلال وریانی اور دیگر طالب علم رہنما گرفتار کیے گۓ- یہاں تک کہ سندھ یونیورسٹی کے وائس چانسلر سید غلام مصطفی شاہ کی بھی نقل و حرکت پر پابددی ڈال کر غیر اعلانیہ طور پر انہیں انکی سرکاری رہائش گاہ پر ایک طرح سے نظربند کیا گیا- آج کے سندھی شاعر اور صحافی انور پيرزادو کو بھی سزا ہوئی۔ وہ تب پاکستان فضائیہ میں پائیلٹ تھے اور ان کو ایک دوست کو خط میں بنگالیوں کے ساتھ ہونے والی ہولناک کارروائیوں کا ذکر کرنے پر کورٹ مارشل کی سزا سنائی گئی-
    سندھی رہنما اور دانشور رسول بخش پلیجو نے بنگال پر پاکستانی فوج کشی کے خلاف بیرون ملک شائع اور نشر ہونےوالی رپورٹوں کو منتخب اور سندھی میں ترجمہ کرکے ’جیکی بنگال ساں تھیو‘ ( یعنی ’جو بنگال کے ساتھ ہوا‘) کے عنوان سے کتاب شائع کی جو پاکستان میں بنگلیوں کے قتل عام پر پہلی اور واحد دستاویز تھی جس پر بعد میں بھٹو حکومت کی طرف سے ان باقی جالیس کتابوں اور جریدوں کے ساتھ پابندی لگادی گئی-‬
    سولہ دسمبر کا دن، اور کچھ یادیں

    حسن مجتبیٰ
    سان ڈیاگو، کیلی فورنیا

    وقتِ اشاعت: Thursday, 16 December, 2004, 15:13 GMT 20:13 PST
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/miscellaneous/story/2004/12/041216_hasanmujtaba_uk.shtml

  • Muhammad Amjad Rashid says: – July 25, 2010 at 9:49 am – And one thing more! – You have put wikipedia notes on your foot but please don’t put Tareekh-e-Tibree on your foot because it is a holy book in almost every sect of muslims (excluding Ahamdis which are not muslims).
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    After reading this you should decide about Tabari and other History books.

    I would only present only one heading of a chapter of Tabaqat-e-Iban Saad wherein he wrote “Qatileen-e-Usman Ka Anjaam and in the next line Ibn Sa’ad tried to convey that Mohammad Bin Abu Bakar [May Allah have mercy on his soul] {s/o Hazrat Abu Bakar (May Allah be pleased with him)] and adopted son of Hazrat Ali (May Allah be pleased with him), was involved in Hazrat Uthman’s Martyrdom. [May Allah forgive me for repeating this].

    If we believe that narration above then it would be a direct slander [Tabbarra] upon Hazrat Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] because he had nominated Muhammad Bin Abu Bakar as Governor of Egypt. This narration [if we believe it with close eyes] makes Hazrat Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] an accessory of Murder. [May Allah forgive me]

    Another “Blasphemous Gem” from Tabari “Hasan married 90 times and he used to marry every day and used to divorce every day????

    Another Hilarious Narration from “Wafiyatul Ayan by Ibn Khalikan” “Hajjaj Bin Yousuf didn’t have Cloacal Aperture i.e. Anus i.e. Miqa’ad in Urdu???? How did Hajjaj survive????

    Alleged Islamic History are concocted rather False and outright Tabbarra of Worst Kind compiled by Suddi, Waqidi, Kalbi, Hisham Kalbi, and Abi Mikhanf and these narrators known “Fabricators and Liars” read their bio-data in History/Asma ur Rijal books. One should consult the following books of Asma ur Rijal [ names, characters, authenticity and notices of persons who transmitted narrations in Hadith and History] – For example there at least 10 narrations in Tabari alone which are outright Blasphemy against Prophet Mohammad [PBUH].

    1 – Taqreeb al-Tehzeeb by Ibn Hajar Asqalani.

    2 – Lisan al Meezan by Ibn Hajar Asqalani.

    3 – Meezan ul Aitidal by Imam Zahbi.

    4 – Kitabul Maudhuat by Abul Faraj ibn Al Jawzi.

    5 – Tadhkirrah al-Mawdoo’aat Wal-Dhu’afaahas by Allamah Muhaddith Tahir Patni.

    6 – Al Tareekh Al Kabeer by Imam Bukhari [May Allah have mercy on his soul].

    7 – Al-La’aali’ al-Masnoo’ah fi’l-Ahaadeeth al-Mawdoo’ah by Jalaluddin Al-Suyuti.

    8 – Al Illal Muthanaihya Fil Hadiths Al Wahiya by Ibn Jawzi.

    Only one example on how Islamic History is compiled Abu Mikhnad died between [150 to 170 H and even that is not confirmed] and Tabari [Birth 224 Hijri] and Tabari is quoting directly from Abu Mikhnaf [without any chain]

  • Aamir Mughal says:
    July 25, 2010 at 10:36 am
    Muhammad Amjad Rashid says: July 25, 2010 at 9:39 am
    You first called former minister “The highest degree Rascal” which is extremist liberalism.

    Muhammad Amjad Rashid says:July 25, 2010 at 12:44 am Same thing is being done by us that we are declaring our own party heroes “rascals of high class”.
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    Read what Bhutto did and “Mohtarma Benazir Bhutto” was in it too!!!

    I just sometime wonder as to how Zulfikar Ali Bhutto would justify to appoint “General Tikka Khan” as his COAS of New Pakistan after Fall of Dhaka [Pakistan of Jinnah died with Jinnah in 1948] , Liaquat Ali Khan’s Pakistan died in 1971. Tikka Khan was Brigadier during late 50s Operation in Baluchistan and he earned name “Butcher of Baluchistan” alter he earned the Nick “Butcher of Bengal” after purifying the Bengali’s blood by intermingling West Pakistani Blood in the veins of Bengalis, if that was not enough Benazir Bhutto appointed Tikka a PPP Gen Secy????

    Here is a glimpse: 1960 Sardar Nauroz Khan’s sons and other relatives were hanged despite the fact that it was sworn on the Quran by the no other than Tikka Khan. The people of Balochistan cannot forget that General Tikka Khancommanded the troops against Mir Nauroz Khan in 1958 and he also had been Bhutto’s Commander in Chief during the initial years of Balochistaninsurgency ( 1973 – 77). REF: FINAL PHASE OF MIR BEZANJO’S POLITICAL STRUGGLE(FEDERALISM V/s REGIONALISM) http://prr.hec.gov.pk/Chapters/60-7.pdf

    BALOCH INSURGENCIES 1948-1977 http://balochistaninhistory.blogspot.com/2008/10/baloch-insurgencies-1948-1977_09.html

    The next violent outbreak of Baloch sentiments came in 1958. This was the direct result of the centralising policies pursued by the Pakistani leaders. Fears of Bengali domination in the 1950s had propelled the Punjabi leaders, who controlled the levers of power, to consolidate the Western Wing of Pakistan into a unified province to counter Bengali numerical strength. This One Unit plan was resisted by the Baloch, both by Abdul Karim who had completed his prison term in 1955 and the Khan who mobilised wide spread demonstrations through tribal chieftains. Balochi nationalists within the Khanate took serious exception to the One Unit scheme and in a meeting with Pakistani president Iskander Mirza in October 1957 they urged Iskander Mirza to exempt Kalat from the One Unit scheme, and to allot more government spending on developmental activities in Kalat. But Ayub Khans ambitions changed the political matrix in Pakistan and when some Baloch sardars started non-cooperating with the Pakistani commissioner, under a flimsy pretext that the Khan had raised a parallel army to attack Pakistani military, Ayub ordered Pakistani army to march into Kalat on 6 October 1958, a day before he imposed martial rule in Pakistan. The army arrested the Khan and his followers and accused them of secretly negotiating with Afghanistan for a full-scale Baloch rebellion. The arrest touched off a chain reaction of violence and counter-violence with the government bombing villages suspected of harbouring guerrillas. Pakistan military’s campaigns in Danshera and Wad were resisted by the Jhalawan Sardars loyal to the Khan. The octogenarian Chief of the Zehri tribe in Jhalawan, Nauroz Khan put up a stiff resistance in the Mir Ghat mountains, but the Pakistani military swore an oath by the Quran and urged Nauroz to give up arms and prepare for negotiations. Nauroz surrendered in anticipation of safe conduct and amnesty but the army put Nauroz and his sons behind the bars as soon as they laid down their arms. Naurozs sons were hanged soon afterwards, in Hyderabad and Sukur, in July 1960. A shocked and surprised Nauroz died soon afterwards in Kohlu prison in 1962. Ayubs message to the Balochis of Kalat who were the first to challenge the might of the Pakistani state, was clear. He reportedly threatened the total extinction of Balochis if they did not mend their ways.

  • Muhammad Amjad Rashid says:
    July 25, 2010 at 9:48 am
    and “Musguided” is the fault of my keyboard (sory! the button “i” often denies itself to be pressed haha).

    And yes the record of the history should be kept straight but then it is the part of history that Hazrat Muhammad (S.A.W.W) had not any degree for his prophet hood and there was no Javed Laghari or HEC at that time to authorise the prophet ship.

    So if the degrees are everything then…………………………..

    Degrees only give a man a paper while actual happiness is found in the welfare of the people and system not in breaking the system.
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    We are not saying that degree is necessary or the one who don’t have a bachelors degree is a fraud. I agree that there was no Javed Laghari or HEC at the time of Prophet ship but there was no Khalipha or Suhabi at that time who had taken oath on lie and fraud. Jhootay ki baat horahe hy Amjad Sahab or aap jhooton k lye itni Azeem Shakhsiaat [ May Allah be pleased with them] ki misaalain de rahe ho? Well I don’t want to involve myself in Islamic talk so I am out of this just want to show you the point we are raising against Fake Degree Holders. We have no problem with a degree but the problem is about the oath they had taken with a fake degree whether it’s a N-Leagueaa or a Parliamentarian of PPP. Thanks